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Old 04-22-2014, 06:29 PM
 
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Sometime around the 1960s and '70s, people in Philadelphia began slowly, subtly to change how they speak. The sound of their vowels started a gradual shift consciously imperceptible to the very people who were driving it. A's evolved to bump into E's. The sound of an O lost some of its*. After decades of speaking with what was in effect a*, Philadelphians were becoming – linguistically, that is – more northern.
The Strange Decline of the Philly Accent - Emily Badger - The Atlantic Cities
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Your facts are wrong. NYC is not a border city. And NYC had a northern dialect (unlike Philly, which had a southern dialect until the 1970s).
C'mon Bajan you are smarter than this. Philly never had a southern dialect. Philly always had a northeastern dialect. What it USED to have was a very slight similarity to the midland and Southern dialects
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"On may be pronounced [ɔn], so that, as in the Midland and Southern varieties of American English, on rhymes with*dawn*rather than*don".
In the past and currently, the Philadelphia accent/dialect has always had a lot more attributes than that minor snippet of the dialect and all of the other attributes are traits of an coastal northeastern dialect/accent. A quick example of this would be
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"As in New York, Boston, and most native dialects of English outside North America, there is a three-way distinction between Mary, marry and merry in the Philadelphia accent....Relatedly, as in New York, many words like orange, Florida, and horrible have /ɑ/ before /r/rather than the or used in many other American dialects (Labov)"
Philly's dialect also has some minor Canadian rising.
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"Canadian raising in Philadelphia occurs beforevoiceless consonants, and it is extended to occur before some*voiced consonants*as well, including intervocalic voiced stops as in*tiger*and*spider. Fruehwald argues"
Are you going argue that Philadelphia has a Canadian accent too? No you cannot.
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Old 04-22-2014, 06:45 PM
 
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Philly is Dixieland. You just have to accept it.
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Old 04-22-2014, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Wasn't Baltimore sort of a mix of "Southern" and "Northern" qualities? It's been described being right on the margins of both regions throughout history. I read that Baltimore lost some of it's southern qualities as time went on since it had more European Catholic and Jewish immigrants and industrialized more than most cities in the South, but gained some back as black migration continued from the South.
Blacks didn't make Baltimore any more or less southern. The city was southern before, during and after the Great Migrations. Where do you think all of the big hats, white gloves, seersucker and pageantry at the Preakness comes from?

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The Kentucky Derby in Churchill Downs and the Preakness in Pimlico, Maryland are steeped in strong southern tradition, but the Belmont is a true New York affair where formality is not an issue. There are no fashions except for the hats that the fans wear.
Belmont Stakes - The Race to The Triple Crown

Yes, Blacks from the South migrated to Baltimore, but they had nothing to do with the state legislature declaring "Maryland, My Maryland" to be the state song in 1939, or joining the Southern Legislative Conference in 1947 or the Southern Governor's Association in 1948. There were also a lot of southern whites that moved to Baltimore after WWII that gave the "Bawlmer" accent the "distinctly southern character" Labov describes.

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I've heard examples of the "Balmer" accent and it doesn't sound that Southern to me... I've got relatives in Northern Florida and Georgia and friends from Mississippi and Louisiana--you can pick out their accent at 100 yards away. A "Balmer" accent sounds like a sort of mix, but not like a strong Southern accent from the Deep South or Carolinas.
The "Bawlmer" accent has changed over time (as most accents have). My dad says that the accent was much stronger when he moved to the region, but gradually faded away over time (it's cool to have someone who can give you a 50-year perspective of the region rather than a five-year perspective centered around hip core areas). You hear it most strongly in older people. If you go to Captain White's at the DC Wharf, you hear what Southern Marylanders (different from Baltimoreans, granted, but not too different) once sounded like.


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This guy will soon be buried under an avalanche of cupcake shops and fro-yos.
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Old 04-22-2014, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Salinas, CA
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Rodeos are pretty big all over the rural Western US. You can find large annual outdoor rodeo events just an hour or two outside Seattle, Portland, and the Bay Area(there's the huge California Rodeo in Salinas just south of Silicon Valley and near Monterey) and Oregon has the huge week-long Pendleton Roundup. Much of the west was cattle country until fairly recently(or you've got fake suburban cowboy types).

I imagine that's a big difference from say, rural New England where I can't imagine there being many if any rodeos(are there any?). I heard that Southern New Jersey has a rodeo though... What about the Midwest? Does somewhere like rural Michigan host rodeos? I can imagine the western Midwest having that sort of thing more than the Great Lakes area.

NASCAR and hunting and pickup trucks seem to big in most of the rural US(though NASCAR's popularity might shift in some areas).
Very familiar with the California Rodeo obviously...definitely the big event in town. Glad I live three miles north of it, but it was a good time when I went a few years ago. People that live within a mile can get seriously impacted during simple errands (grocery store/Starbucks, etc when parades and traffic occur near the rodeo grounds) if they forget to check the event schedule. I believe the Calgary Stampede is the largest in North America. Believe the one here in Salinas ranks in the top five.

As to the Midwest, I grew up in Minnesota and do know that Northfield, MN does a small rodeo event during Defeat of Jesse James Days in early September. If that event had not happened, do not think they would even have it. It is approx 40 miles south of Minneapolis. A small town near Grand Rapids, MN in northern MN also has one.
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Old 04-22-2014, 07:37 PM
 
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Philly is Dixieland. You just have to accept it.
lol Your'e pretty funny. I think and hope your joking.

Here is a few examples of contemporary genuine Philly accents. All of these people sound northeastern and they are all naturally speaking (not a forced fake accent videos that you see of all dialects on YouTube)

White Philly accent

Irish American

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7Cy...e_gdata_player

Italian American

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71dO...e_gdata_player


black Philly accent


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Old 04-22-2014, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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As long as these southern posters don't start claiming that philly is part of southern hip hop I'm fine.
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Old 04-22-2014, 08:31 PM
 
Location: East coast
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I know they don't make the list of top 50 biggest cities but how "country" would cities in Alaska or Hawaii be?
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Old 04-22-2014, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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Are we really having a debate on whether Philly's culture leans more Northern or Southern?? lol.
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:15 PM
 
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They must have been heavily drinking or smoking coming up with this crazy list.
Dallas downtown core heading on 75N is very heavily metropolitan and connects to uptown with highrise for miles and miles and sigh miles with seeing trees for along period of time.It should have beat Atlanta and Houston as far as the south go but now for Miami its about a tie but a HUGE difference with the others cried.
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:55 PM
 
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Are we really having a debate on whether Philly's culture leans more Northern or Southern?? lol.
Yeah its pretty pointless. It's like having a debate on whether Fox news leans more conservative or liberal. Or wether if Wesley Snipes is black or white lol. The answer is pretty obvious. Philadelphia is a quintessential northeastern city.
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