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The Houston area has the 4th largest economy in the nation, so economy wise, Houston already wipes the floor with SF and DC, and the lead will become greater as Houston diversifies the economy.
As for cultural impact, all it takes is a case, and a presentation to the public, at this point, being that Houston already has all the assets in place.
The ONLY thing holding Houston back is the need for "urban design," and those needs are being addressed as we speak.
Not true, the DMV and SF bay have been ahead of Houston, Houston has the 6th largest economy, and comes in at #8 in population behind NYC, LA, Chi, SF bay, DMV, Dallas, and greater Boston, I even think Miami might be bigger.
SF bay area has a higher GDP than Houston does...Also Houston will likely never beat SF or DC as far as cultural impact is concerned simply due to the history of those two cities and the establishment that they already have.
Not true, the DMV and SF bay have been ahead of Houston, Houston has the 6th largest economy, and comes in at #8 in population behind NYC, LA, Chi, SF bay, DMV, Dallas, and greater Boston, I even think Miami might be bigger.
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Originally Posted by Ant131531
SF bay area has a higher GDP than Houston does...Also Houston will likely never beat SF or DC as far as cultural impact is concerned simply due to the history of those two cities and the establishment that they already have.
As for cultural impact and history, Houston already is well rounded in those aspects. All it takes is a case presented to the public to make known such aspects.
As for cultural impact and history, Houston already is well rounded in those aspects. All it takes is a case presented to the public to make known such aspects.
You're correct I was wrong, actually Houston comes in at #9
And from 18montclair:
HERE IS ALL THE INFO AGAIN IN ONE POST, and CORRECTED TO REFLECT THE ACCURATE DATA FOR NY *There is no data for the Poughkeepsie Metro Area * No Micro Area data is available, but their numbers are too small to really affect any change in the overall ranking * I didn't rank Cleveland as 18th because it doesn't have the 18th highest GDP(that would be Portland which is just shy of 3 million people), but is included in this list because it has a population of 3 Million+ * There are revised figures for 2011 and 2010
2012 Combined StatisticalArea Gross Product-Released September 17, 2013 CSA and uncombined MSA, population 3 Million+
1. New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA $1.550 Trillion Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton, PA-NJ Metro Area $31.998 Billion Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metro Area $86.338 Billion East Stroudsburg, PA Metro Area $4.982 Billion Kingston, NY Metro Area $4.829 Billion New Haven-Milford, CT Metro Area $40.084 Billion New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metro Area $1,358,416 Billion Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY Metro Area: No Data Trenton-Ewing, NJ Metro Area $28.406 Billion
2. Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA CSA $918.834 Billion Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA Metro Area $765.759 Billion Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA Metro Area $39.077 Billion Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA Metro Area $113.998 Billion
3.Washington-Baltimore-Arlington, DC-MD-VA-WV-PA CSA $629.224 Billion Baltimore-Towson, MD Metro Area $157.260 Billion California-Lexington Park, MD Metro Area $5.249 Billion Chambersburg-Waynesboro, PA Metro Area $4.282 Billion Hagerstown-Martinsburg, MD-VA Metro Area $8.295 Billion Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area $448.741 Billion Winchester, VA-WV Metro Area $5.397 Billion
4. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $606.743 Billion Napa, CA Metro Area $7.372 Billion San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA Metro Area $360.495 Billion San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metro Area $173.908 Billion Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA Metro Area $20.325 Billion Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA Metro Area $9.574 Billion Stockton-Lodi, CA Metro Area $20.390 Billion Vallejo-Fairfield, CA Metro Area $14.679 Billion
5. Chicago-Naperville, IL-IN-WI CSA $578.275 Billion Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI Metro Area $571.008 Billion Kankakee-Bradley, IL Metro Area $3.481 Billion Michigan City-La Porte, IN Metro Area $3.786 Billion
6. Boston-Worcester-Providence, MA-RI-NH CSA $470.343 Billion Barnstable Town, MA Metro Area$ 8.595 Billion Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH Metro Area $336.232 Billion Manchester-Nashua, NH Metro Area $22.160 Billion Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA Metro Area $69.530 Billion Worcester, MA Metro Area $33.826 Billion
7. Houston-The Woodlands, TX CSA $449.439 Billion Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX Metro Area $449.439 Billion
8. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX-OKCSA $424.018 Billion Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX Metro Area $420.340 Billion Sherman-Denison, TX Metro Area $3.678 Billion
9. Philadelphia-Reading-Camden, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $408.170 Billion Atlantic City-Hammonton, NJ Metro Area $13.185 Billion Dover, DE Metro Area $6.336 Billion Ocean City, NJ Metro Area $4.273 Billion Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD Metro Area $364.009 Billion Reading, PA Metro Area $15.208 BillionVineland-Millville-Bridgeton, NJ Metro Area $5.159 Billion
10. Atlanta-Athens/Clarke County-Sandy Springs, GA-AL CSA $301.428 Billion Athens-Clarke County, GA Metro Area $6.839 Billion Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA Metro Area $294.589 Billion
11. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Port St Lucie, FL CSA $298.851 Billion Miami-Ft Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, FL Metro Area $274.105 Billion Port St Lucie, Fl Metro Area $11.500 Billion Sebastian-Vero Beach, FL Metro Area $4.359 Billion
12. Seattle-Tacoma, WA CSA $273.462 Billion Bremerton-Silverdale, WA Metro Area$9.132 Billion Mount Vernon-Anacortes, WA MetroArea $5.511 Billion Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA MetroArea $258.819 Billion
13. Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor, MI CSA $243.551 Billion Ann Arbor, MI Metro Area $19.310Billion Detroit-Warren-Dearborn, MI MetroArea $208.379 Billion Flint, MI Metro Area $11.713Billion Monroe, MI Metro Area $4.149Billion
14. Minneapolis-St Paul, MN-WI CSA$220.167 Billion Minneapolis-St Paul-Bloomington,MN-WI Metro Area $220.167 Billion
15. Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ MSA $201.653 Billion
16. Denver-Aurora, CO CSA $196.187 Billion Boulder, CO Metro Area $20.332Billion Denver-Aurora-Lakewood, CO MetroArea $167.886 Billion Greeley, CO Metro Area $7.969Billion
17. San Diego-Carlsbad, CA MSA $ $177.410 Billion
Cleveland-Akron-Canton, OH CSA $155.107 Billion Akron, OH Metro Area $29.466Billion Canton-Massilon, OH Metro Area$14.044 Billion Cleveland-Elyria, OH Metro Area$111.597 Billion
Top 17 by Percentage Change Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Port St Lucie +7.9% San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland +6.6% Seattle-Tacoma +5.8% Minneapolis-St Paul +5.7% Houston-The Woodlands +5.6% Dallas-Ft Worth +$5.4% San Diego-Carlsbad +4.7% Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale +4.6% Los Angeles-Long Beach +4.3% Denver-Aurora +4.2% Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor +4.2% Atlanta-Athens/Clarke County-Sandy Springs +4.1% Chicago-Naperville +4.1% Boston-Worcester-Providence +3.7% Philadelphia-Reading-Camden +3.2% Washington-Baltimore-Arlington +2.9% New York-Newark +2.7%
Top 17 by Numerical GDP Growth New York-Newark +$41.500 Billion San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland +$38.115 Billion Los Angeles-Long Beach +$38.054 Billion Houston-The Woodlands +$24.138 Billion Chicago-Naperville +$22.835 Billion Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Port St Lucie +$22.826 Billion Dallas-Ft Worth +$21.807 Billion Washington-Baltimore-Arlington +$18.194 Billion Boston-Worcester-Providence +$16.367 Billion Seattle-Tacoma +$15.152 Billion Philadelphia-Reading-Camden +$12.866 Billion Atlanta-Athens/Clarke County-Sandy Springs +12.288 Billion Minneapolis-St Paul +$11.646 Billion Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor +$10.044 Billion Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale +$9.332 Billion San Diego-Carlsbad +$7.522 Billion Denver-Aurora +$7.494 Billion
1. New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA 2012 $1.550 Trillion 2011 $1.508 Trillion Numerical GDP Change: +$41.5 Billion Percentage Change: +2.7
2. Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA CSA 2012 GDP $918.834 Billion 2011 GDP $880.780 Billion Numerical GDP Change: +$38.054 Billion Percentage Change: +4.3%
3. Washington-Baltimore-Arlington, DC-MD-VA-WV-PA CSA 2012 GDP $629.224 Billion 2011 GDP $611.030 Billion Numerical GDP Change: +$18.194 Billion Percentage Change: +2.9%
4. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA 2012 GDP $606.743 Billion 2011 GDP $568.628 Billion Numerical GDP Change: +$38.115 Billion Percentage Change: +6.6%
5. Chicago-Naperville, IL-IN-WI CSA 2012 GDP $578.275 Billion 2011 GDP $555.440 Billion Numerical GDP Change: +$22.835 Billion Percentage Change: +4.1%
6. Boston-Worcester-Providence, MA-RI-NH CSA 2012 GDP $470.343 Billion 2011 GDP $453.976 Billion Numerical GDP Change: +$16.367 Billion Percentage Change: +3.7%
7. Houston-The Woodlands, TX CSA 2012 GDP $449.439 Billion 2011 GDP $425.301 Billion Numerical GDP Change: +$24.138 Billion Percentage Change: +5.6%
8. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX-OK CSA 2012 GDP $424.018 Billion 2011 GDP $402.211 Billion Numerical GDP Change: +$21.807 Billion Percentage Change: +5.4%
9. Philadelphia-Reading-Camden, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA 2012 GDP $408.170 Billion 2011 GDP $395.304 Billion Numerical GDP Change: +$12.866 Billion Percentage Change: +3.2%
10. Atlanta-Athens/Clarke County-Sandy Springs, GA-AL CSA 2012 GDP $301.428 Billion 2011 GDP $289.140 Billion Numerical GDP Change: +$12.288 Billion Percentage Change: +4.1%
11. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Port St Lucie, FL CSA 2012 GDP $298.851 Billion 2011 GDP $276.025 Billion Numerical GDP Change: +$22.826 Billion Percentage Change: +7.9%
12. Seattle-Tacoma, WA CSA 2012 GDP $273.462 Billion 2011 GDP $258.310 Billion Numerical GDP Change: +$15.152 Billion Percentage Change: +5.8%
13. Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor, MI CSA 2012 GDP $243.551 Billion 2011 GDP $233.507 Billion Numerical GDP Change: +$10.044 Billion Percentage Change: +4.2%
14. Minneapolis-St Paul, MN-WI CSA 2012 GDP $220.167 Billion 2011 GDP $208.521 Billion Numerical GDP Change: +$11.646 Billion Percentage Change: +5.7%
15. Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ MSA 2012 GDP $201.653 Billion 2011 GDP $192.321 Billion Numerical GDP Change: +$9.332 Billion Percentage Change: +4.6%
16. Denver-Aurora, CO CSA 2012 GDP $196.187 Billion 2011 GDP $188.693 Billion Numerical GDP Change: +$7.494 Billion Percentage Change: +4.2%
17. San Diego-Carlsbad, CA MSA 2012 GDP $177.410 Billion 2011 GDP $169.888 Billion Numerical GDP Change: $7.522 Billion Percentage Change: +4.7%
Only if you use the CSA metric. Otherwise, the MSA metric shows Houston as the 4th largest economy, and the 5th largest population.
That would be fine if the Houston MSA didn't take as much land as a CSA, but since it does you have to compare it pound for pound, where it comes up short.
I would understand your points a little better if this was 10 years ago. Houston has already begun to make drastic improvements to its urban fabric, not only midtown/downtown and all that's soon to come but areas along in the Upper Kirby area along Kirby Drive. The recent Bagby Street re-do has really brought a new identity to Midtown, along with Some all of the midrise construction that is in the process of finishing up.
Some of your criticisms sound like the same old template criticisms pre- 2000. Yes, Houston's rail is still pretty lousy, but that doesn't change that with the 2 new lightrail lines and the recent expansion of the original Red Line, the system has more than doubled in total miles. It sounds like you really need to come and see Houston post 2010 and really come with an open mind. Matter fact... wait and come 3 short years from now. You'll see probably triple the progress by then.
Ant is jealous of Houston. You know he lives in Atlanta. He needs to just give credit where credit is due and move on with life.
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