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View Poll Results: Dallas vs. Houston
Dallas 127 64.80%
Houston 69 35.20%
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Ummm, no it doesn't? Downtown Houston is pretty small land area wise...We're not even talking a square mile...Downtown Dallas + Uptown Dallas is like 3-4 square miles.

And TMC being bigger than Downtown Dallas? Really? You're such a homer honestly.
Downtown Dallas = 1.4 square miles

Downtown Houston = 1.8 square miles

Texas Medical Center = 1.5 square miles
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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Ummm, no it doesn't? Downtown Houston is pretty small land area wise...We're not even talking a square mile...Downtown Dallas + Uptown Dallas is like 3-4 square miles.

And TMC being bigger than Downtown Dallas? Really? You're such a homer honestly.
This was back in 2009.

Houston

In 2012, 90% of DT Houston's Class A office space was leased. That number is closer to 100% today with oil over $100 a barrel which is the reason you're seeing so many new towers going up.

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/p....html?page=all
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:56 PM
 
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Downtown Dallas = 1.4 square miles

Downtown Houston = 1.8 square miles

Texas Medical Center = 1.5 square miles
He said bigger than Dt Dallas and Uptown Dallas. And what are the boundaries for downtown Houston? It doesn't look 1.8 square miles LOL.

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This was back in 2009.

Houston

In 2012, 90% of DT Houston's office space was leased. That number is closer to 100% today which is the reason you're seeing so many new towers going up.
Texas Medical Center is also bigger in land area than SF's financial district, Seattle's downtown, NYC's Midtown Manhattan CBD, etc...does this make it better than those areas? It's more than just 'land area'.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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He said bigger than Dt Dallas and Uptown Dallas. And what are the boundaries for downtown Houston? It doesn't look 1.8 square miles LOL.



Texas Medical Center is also bigger in land area than SF's financial district, Seattle's downtown, NYC's Midtown Manhattan CBD, etc...does this make it better than those areas? It's more than just 'land area'.
TMC is dense as if you didn't know that already.

It employs over 106,000 people, which is a small city in & of itself.

The impressive skyline of the TMC is larger & taller than most major cities downtowns. Its certainly taller than Uptown Dallas. Density wise is probably pretty close though.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Houston
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He said bigger than Dt Dallas and Uptown Dallas. And what are the boundaries for downtown Houston? It doesn't look 1.8 square miles LOL.



Texas Medical Center is also bigger in land area than SF's financial district, Seattle's downtown, NYC's Midtown Manhattan CBD, etc...does this make it better than those areas? It's more than just 'land area'.
I didn't say anything about which is better. I'm just giving you the facts. You're giving me the "looks like" figures which mean nothing. Whether you like it or not Downtown Houston is bigger than Downtown Dallas. Doesn't matter which one looks bigger. As for Uptown Dallas I can't find any numbers for it so I'm not going to bother posting useless statements about how big or small it looks. Texas Medical Center is also bigger than Downtown Dallas. Can't argue with the numbers. Not going to comment on which is better because it's all about preferences.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:09 PM
 
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TMC is dense as if you didn't know that already.

It employs over 106,000 people, which is a small city in & of itself.

The impressive skyline of the TMC is larger & taller than most major cities downtowns. Its certainly taller than Uptown Dallas. Density is probably close though.
Yeah, but that's all it is. It's just a place that employs people. There's no tourists attractions, entertainment, historic landmarks, etc that your typical traditional downtown has.

Who's going to want hang out at a medical center? Seriously?
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:10 PM
 
Location: The Mid-Cities
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Ummm, no it doesn't? Downtown Houston is pretty small land area wise...We're not even talking a square mile...Downtown Dallas + Uptown Dallas is like 3-4 square miles.

And TMC being bigger than Downtown Dallas? Really? You're such a homer honestly.
The fact that the boundaries of Downtown Dallas have to be agreed upon to compare to downtown Houston demonstrate how big it is. In Dallas your talking continues neighborhoods. Downtown, Uptown, Turtle Creek, Victory Park, Harwood, Design District, State Thomas, etc, it's all one. In Houston "Downtown" ends in Downtown.

The territorial area of a place also doesn't matter. TMC in Houston (or Plano in DFW for that matter) are the same size or bigger than central Chicago Loop but we all know which one is actually bigger and more urban.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:12 PM
 
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The fact that the boundaries of Downtown Dallas have to be agreed upon to compare to downtown Houston demonstrate how big it is. In Dallas your talking continues neighborhoods. Downtown, Uptown, Turtle Creek, Victory Park, Harwood, Design District, State Thomas, etc, it's all one. In Houston "Downtown" ends in Downtown.

The territorial area of a place also doesn't matter. TMC in Houston (or Plano for that matter) are the same size or bigger than central Chicago Loop but we all know which one is actually bigger and more urban.
Great post. Downtown Houston has literally like 0 urban neighborhoods surrounding it. Midtown Houston is still a joke...people there think 2-3 blocks of midrise apartment buildings is super urban. Okay.

Downtown Dallas has an array of urban neighborhood surrounding downtown like Deep Ellum, Uptown, going NW from there. This is what I discuss earlier on the 1st page.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The fact that the boundaries of Downtown Dallas have to be agreed upon to compare to downtown Houston demonstrate how big it is. In Dallas your talking continues neighborhoods. Downtown, Uptown, Turtle Creek, Victory Park, Harwood, Design District, State Thomas, etc, it's all one. In Houston "Downtown" ends in Downtown.

The territorial area of a place also doesn't matter. TMC in Houston (or Plano in DFW for that matter) are the same size or bigger than central Chicago Loop but we all know which one is actually bigger and more urban.
What??? There is no question of the boundaries of Downtown Dallas. It has an exact boundary it's just that people here are too lazy to do a little research to look it up. People can sit here and debate the boundary of Downtown Houston but that doesn't make the actual boundary any different. If I say the boundary of Downtown Houston is loop 610 does that make it a worth debating just because I said it? Come on people. Let's go by the actual numbers and not "what I think it looks like".

People like to argue the boundary of Uptown Houston. Does that make the actual boundary any different. Of course not. If you go by some people's estimate of Uptown Houston it would probably dwarf every district in Houston and Dallas. Which of course would be absurd for anyone to actually use in an argument.

The actual boundary numbers don't lie. Actual boundary lines: Downtown Houston > TMC > Downtown Dallas.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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The fact that the boundaries of Downtown Dallas have to be agreed upon to compare to downtown Houston demonstrate how big it is. In Dallas your talking continues neighborhoods. Downtown, Uptown, Turtle Creek, Victory Park, Harwood, Design District, State Thomas, etc, it's all one. In Houston "Downtown" ends in Downtown.

The territorial area of a place also doesn't matter. TMC in Houston (or Plano in DFW for that matter) are the same size or bigger than central Chicago Loop but we all know which one is actually bigger and more urban.
Dallas doesn't have any ethnic enclaves in its downtown making it feel rather stale IMO. Houston has a historic Chinatown & Little Saigon which is always wonderful.

Once flourishing party spots such as Deep Ellum & tourist traps such as West End don't make a great downtown. Its a combination of things you see.

Fort Worth is killing both Dallas & Houston.
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