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View Poll Results: What is San Francisco's relative stature in the US?
Top 5 99 63.06%
6-10 46 29.30%
11-15 7 4.46%
Outside the top 15 5 3.18%
Voters: 157. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-27-2014, 08:53 PM
 
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Heck LA's CSA has more people than the CSAs in the Texas Triangle combined.

DFW and HOU aren't growing much faster than SFBA nowadays, but LA isn't outpacing all of them in raw numbers COMBINED nowadays.

Plus, is Stockton really that connected to the Bay Area? It doesn't feel like it is, nor is development really connected between the two.
the person was talking about total population not growth rates.
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Old 04-27-2014, 09:00 PM
 
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the person was talking about total population not growth rates.
^ this
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Old 04-27-2014, 09:09 PM
 
Location: LoS ScAnDaLoUs KiLLa CaLI
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the person was talking about total population not growth rates.
Whoops, misread it then.

Sorry about that.
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Old 04-27-2014, 11:45 PM
 
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Heck LA's CSA has more people than the CSAs in the Texas Triangle combined.

DFW and HOU aren't growing much faster than SFBA nowadays, but LA isn't outpacing all of them in raw numbers COMBINED nowadays.

Plus, is Stockton really that connected to the Bay Area? It doesn't feel like it is, nor is development really connected between the two.
I said LA CSA is larger, not that it raw gains are larger.

As for Stockton, it was just added mostly because of Tracy, Lathrop, Manteca, give it a decade and the development will fill in.
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Old 04-27-2014, 11:46 PM
 
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Whoops, misread it then.

Sorry about that.
Sorry didn't see this, tis all good!
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Old 04-28-2014, 01:40 PM
 
Location: LoS ScAnDaLoUs KiLLa CaLI
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I said LA CSA is larger, not that it raw gains are larger.

As for Stockton, it was just added mostly because of Tracy, Lathrop, Manteca, give it a decade and the development will fill in.
But its not directly connected via development to the Bay Area. There's a huge gap of development between Tracy and Livermore, and between Stockton and Antioch.

It's hard to consider that part of the "metro"

San Francisco-San Jose make sense, but San Francisco-Stockton? Much harder sell.
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Old 04-28-2014, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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But its not directly connected via development to the Bay Area. There's a huge gap of development between Tracy and Livermore, and between Stockton and Antioch.

It's hard to consider that part of the "metro"

San Francisco-San Jose make sense, but San Francisco-Stockton? Much harder sell.
There's nothing 'to sell' or even argue about. The criteria was met so Stockton was combined into the Bay.

In fact, at this rate we might see Stockton merge with the SF MSA before SF+SJ.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:10 PM
 
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But its not directly connected via development to the Bay Area. There's a huge gap of development between Tracy and Livermore, and between Stockton and Antioch.

It's hard to consider that part of the "metro"

San Francisco-San Jose make sense, but San Francisco-Stockton? Much harder sell.
It isn't really up for "debate," it is based on cummuting patterns. The western part of SJ County has pulled the county into the CSA. Tons of new homes are currently being built to house Bay Area workers. You really think Mountain House just sprang up on its own to be a suburb of Tracy or something? There are hills between Tracy and Livermore that are protected somewhat from development. Look at stuff on Google Maps with satellite view and it will make sense. There is a notable gap in development between Dublin and Castro Valley because of mountains/hills, that doesn't mean anything. Look up some of the population gains in Stockton, Tracy, Lathrop, Manteca, etc; Do you really think all those new people are getting jobs in their own city? I get what you are saying, but not every metro is as simple as, say Chicagoland, where the suburbs can spill cleanly into the cornfields with no boundaries or barriers between them. It is all about the commuting patterns, not just physically touching residential cul de sacs.

Also, like I said before, the addition was recent, give it a decade and the development will fill in.
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Old 03-20-2015, 08:08 AM
 
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Shameless *** Bump
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:32 AM
 
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As far as relevance and influence today as far as driving the economy and trends, the Bay Area is probably no lower than 2nd

The Bay Area is 2nd as far as corporate concentration and globally recognized corporate brands.

The Bay Area is 1st(by far) when it comes to annual patents issued.

Billions of people around the world access information and project their lives to the rest of the world on platforms that originate in the Bay.

Billions.

Imagine if suddenly Google, Facebook, YouTube, gmail, Wikipedia, Craigslist, Twitter, LinkedIn all decided to shut down. Imagine if that shutdown were accompanied by Apple and Android wireless operating systems also shut down.

All this talk of Riverside and Philly are cute but neither of those 2 places wield the immense global power that Bay Area companies collectively possess.

New York and DC to me are the only other 2 that could reak that kind of havoc in the world.
Other than GMail the world would be a better place
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