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Old 04-30-2014, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Is it me or does SF have more Ivy League grads than Boston?
Also keep in mind that there are more schools at the calibur of Ivy League schools or close to it such as MIT, University of Chicago, Northwestern, Stanford, Cal Tech, etc and other schools not terribly far behind like Johns Hopkins, Vanderbilt, Rice, Notre Dame, Washington (St. Louis), Emory, Cal-Berkely, Duke, Georgetown, Cal-Berkeley, Carnegie Mellon, etc.

 
Old 04-30-2014, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Haha

I just cant feel beneath a place with a smaller economy, is less influential, is less international and doesnt dominate any vital industry. Your big and hiatorically important, but really nowhere near as globally relevant as the Bay Area in 2014.
I would say commodities and logistics are both pretty well dominated by Chicago and both are quite vital. I don't think Chicago has the global reach of San Francisco, but given the local power of the US, that doesn't really diminish it all that much. I'd argue that nationally, Chicago may be more important, while the Bay is more important globally.

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So put me in a room with all of the authors of your rankings so I can decimate them, all at the same time.
In all fairness, he used your list. So if you're using that to show SF ranks ahead of Boston, you're effectively "decimating" your own point.
 
Old 04-30-2014, 11:36 AM
 
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I would say commodities and logistics are both pretty well dominated by Chicago and both are quite vital. I don't think Chicago has the global reach of San Francisco, but given the local power of the US, that doesn't really diminish it all that much. I'd argue that nationally, Chicago may be more important, while the Bay is more important globally.
That depends on how you're measuring things. Both San Francisco and Chicago have important financial sectors for example, but Chicago's may be above that due to the CME Group, CDOT, CBOE, etc and how important they are globally, not just domestically. Both areas have about the same number of Fortune 500 HQ as well (a top 30 one moved to Chicago very recently). Chicago also has more foreign consulates than SF.

Not diminishing SF's reach - it's ranked too low on here I think.
 
Old 04-30-2014, 12:40 PM
 
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Haha

I just cant feel beneath a place with a smaller economy, is less influential, is less international and doesnt dominate any vital industry. Your big and hiatorically important, but really nowhere near as globally relevant as the Bay Area in 2014.

So put me in a room with all of the authors of your rankings so I can decimate them, all at the same time.
And on point SF bay area leads the way in California

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Old 04-30-2014, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Miami/ Washington DC
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If you go to the link, you can see what they rated on:
* Business Activity - Bloomberg 500, Top 40 Global, Capital Markets, Air Freight, Sea Freight, ICCA conferences
* Human Capital - Foreign born population, Top universities, population with tertiary degree, International student population, number of international schools
* Information Exchange - Access to TV news, News agency bureaus, Broadband subscribers, Freedom of expression, Online prescence (all of the U.S. does this well)
* Cultural Experience - Museums, visual and performing arts, Sporting events, International travelers, Culinary offering, Sister cities
* Political Engagement - Embassies and consulates, Think tanks, International organizations, Political conferences, Local institutions with global reach.
After looking at these I understand why Miami would be ranked high. The things I put in bold and green is where I feel Miami does very well. Red Miami does not do well.

I can see why Miami made the list. It does pretty well in a lot of the topics.
 
Old 04-30-2014, 08:16 PM
 
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That depends on how you're measuring things. Both San Francisco and Chicago have important financial sectors for example, but Chicago's may be above that due to the CME Group, CDOT, CBOE, etc and how important they are globally, not just domestically. Both areas have about the same number of Fortune 500 HQ as well (a top 30 one moved to Chicago very recently). Chicago also has more foreign consulates than SF.

Not diminishing SF's reach - it's ranked too low on here I think.
Yup, people underestimate the importance of the CME group and the touchpoints they have across various financial instruments.
 
Old 04-30-2014, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Here is some more data. US Cities with the most foreign consulates (or in DC's case - Embassies):

1. Washington - 178
2. New York - 117
3. Los Angeles - 100
4. Chicago - 83
5. Houston - 81
6. San Francisco - 70
7. Atlanta - 67
8. Miami - 57
9. Boston - 53
10. Detroit - 47
11. New Orleans - 46
12. Honolulu - 42
13. Seattle - 42
14. Philadelphia - 33
15. Dallas - 31
16. Phoenix - 31
17. Salt Lake City - 31
18. Denver - 28
19. Portland, OR - 25
20. Kansas City - 22
21. Las Vegas - 20
22. Anchorage - 19
23. San Diego - 19
24. Cleveland - 16
25. Orlando - 16
26. Pittsburgh - 16
27. St. Louis - 16
28. Minneapolis - 15
29. Charlotte, NC - 10
30. Norfolk, VA - 10
31. Tampa - 10
 
Old 04-30-2014, 09:33 PM
 
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I didn't realize Atlanta had as much as it did.
 
Old 04-30-2014, 09:41 PM
 
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I didn't realize Atlanta had as much as it did.
Yeah, surprising. Not all of these are OFFICIAL ones, but some are honorary too. Nonetheless, an honorary consulate still has a presence in a city. I wonder how often new ones are opened up too. I'm also surprised by the number Houston has - I wonder how many of those were opened in the last 10-15 years.
 
Old 04-30-2014, 09:56 PM
 
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Consulates mean almost nothing, especially if we're looking at honorary consuls. My uncle was an honorary consul.

And for official consulates, they just stick them in the main cities of each corner of the U.S., to serve their citizens living in the U.S.

All these weird metrics are just a waste of time, because we already have the real metric, that covers every potential metric- gross economic product by metro area. It excludes nothing.
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