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Old 05-12-2014, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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I know what you were using, I just don't particularly agree with why you used it or why it makes sense to compare a single year with a 5-year average. You're not using numbers from the same thing, so I don't know why you're saying you are.

I don't really care that much what the ranking is. I just don't think you came up with the numbers in a way that makes sense to the question you were trying to ask. In any case, the new calculation seems like a better way to view them.
That's fine - look above your post and you'll see the recalculated rankings from the 1 year estimates. Columbus jumped up 7 spots but it's still not top 20 or 25 yet (but at that rate, it might be in a few years). The cities in the top 10 didn't change though a few switched rankings. The only cities that are now in the top 20 that weren't before are Jacksonville and Denver (San Antonio and Baltimore the two that were removed after using the 1 year rankings).
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Old 05-12-2014, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I know what you were using, I just don't particularly agree with why you used it or why it makes sense to compare a single year with a 5-year average. You're not using numbers from the same thing, so I don't know why you're saying you are.

I don't really care that much what the ranking is. I just don't think you came up with the numbers in a way that makes sense to the question you were trying to ask. In any case, the new calculation seems like a better way to view them.
I'm sorry, but it makes total sense. The OP didn't hide what they did. It is one of several good ways to look at the subject and it provides us with real tangible findings if you're willing to look at the correctly.


Also, you're making too big of an issue over ACS 1 year vs 3 year vs 5 year. I just don't think you understand what the dataset is, how it is collected, and the pros and cons. There is nothing wrong with using the data. There is a reason the government uses it for a more detailed analysis of the population beyond the questions from the basic census forms.
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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I'm sorry, but it makes total sense. The OP didn't hide what they did. It is one of several good ways to look at the subject and it provides us with real tangible findings if you're willing to look at the correctly.

Also, you're making too big of an issue over ACS 1 year vs 3 year vs 5 year. I just don't think you understand what the dataset is, how it is collected, and the pros and cons. There is nothing wrong with using the data. There is a reason the government uses it for a more detailed analysis of the population beyond the questions from the basic census forms.
I use the ACS several times per week, so no. 5-years are good for looking at averages, not point-to-point comparisons. They're useful, but not for what the OP was asking. In any case, they provided the different set of numbers, so you can freely choose to use whatever you want.
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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That's fine - look above your post and you'll see the recalculated rankings from the 1 year estimates. Columbus jumped up 7 spots but it's still not top 20 or 25 yet (but at that rate, it might be in a few years). The cities in the top 10 didn't change though a few switched rankings. The only cities that are now in the top 20 that weren't before are Jacksonville and Denver (San Antonio and Baltimore the two that were removed after using the 1 year rankings).
I saw that. My only other question about it is that it's a 22-year period. We don't really know what the trending is. Was the growth more in the '90s or the last few years? I'd be curious to know what the change was more recently, say in the last 5-10 years. Not that you have to do those numbers, just saying. A lot has changed since 1990 nationally.
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Old 05-14-2014, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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I saw that. My only other question about it is that it's a 22-year period. We don't really know what the trending is. Was the growth more in the '90s or the last few years? I'd be curious to know what the change was more recently, say in the last 5-10 years. Not that you have to do those numbers, just saying. A lot has changed since 1990 nationally.
The whole point of it was to show 1990 versus 2012, that's it. A lot has changed, and it's showing which cities are growing faster versus population growth than others.
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