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Old 06-16-2014, 10:42 AM
 
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Indianapolis also has a "people mover" that travels between IUPUI and Methodist Hospital.

Saying a city with rail transit is by default better is lazy. Very, very lazy.


I think it's obvious what we're talking about here, and it's NOT a 1 or 2 mile People Mover... Let's not be ridiculous.
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Englewood, Near Eastside Indy
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I think it's obvious what we're talking about here, and it's NOT a 1 or 2 mile People Mover... Let's not be ridiculous.
You're missing the point.

You are a shameless Cleveland homer, so I know you are familiar with the HealthLine, yes? So, let's say Kansas City, Indianapolis, or Detroit build a whole metro wide network of "HealthLine" like BRT, with no rail transit at all (which at least in Indianapolis is a very real possibility). You would, in that scenario, have rapid transit that can get you anywhere in the metro area. You are telling me Buffalo, who has one rail line, would be superior to a comprehensive metro rapid transit system because of one rail line?
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:10 PM
 
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You're missing the point.

You are a shameless Cleveland homer, so I know you are familiar with the HealthLine, yes? So, let's say Kansas City, Indianapolis, or Detroit build a whole metro wide network of "HealthLine" like BRT, with no rail transit at all (which at least in Indianapolis is a very real possibility). You would, in that scenario, have rapid transit that can get you anywhere in the metro area. You are telling me Buffalo, who has one rail line, would be superior to a comprehensive metro rapid transit system because of one rail line?
That's speculative... if/when these places do this, then I'll consider it... I also don't rule out BRT if it's done right... Cleveland and Minneapolis have good ones; but it's still such a new technology, esp here in the USA... Rapid transit is a tried and true technology.

As for Buffalo, yes I consider that city superior transit-wise to ANY city that has either no rapid transit, or simply downtown PM lines like Detroit... (OK maybe Morgantown, W.Va is superior because its pioneering PM goes all over that small university town, but ... we are talking big cities). On top of this, Buffalo's single 6.4 LRT line is very high performing: nearly 30K rides daily for a system in a medium/smaller big city in the (very) cold Rust Belt; and one who's population has been falling like a rock... Now finally, after all these year's, Buffalo's hard-headed leaders are now exploring expansion of their rail line...

To answer your comment, Buffalo > Indy, Columbus, San Antonio, Milwaukee, Jacksonville, etc... Until some city comes along and develops a comprehensive, efficient fast (rail-less) BRT, I really have no source for comparison in this country. Yes, I know Curitiba, Brazil is the international Gold Standard for BRT... Until some US city does something like that, my answer remains the same.
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:55 PM
 
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Honolulu's transit network is currently a bus-only system that arguably has better transit than some metro's out there with rail. A relatively high percentage of workers in Honolulu use PT for commuting.
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Agreed, though with rail Honlulu would be even better. There's a better practical case for rail than in much larger metros, such as Houston. I doubt Buffalo has a better transit system than Honolulu without rail.

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Old 06-16-2014, 02:10 PM
 
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Los Angeles has the worst
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:12 PM
 
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Now finally, after all these year's, Buffalo's hard-headed leaders are now exploring expansion of their rail line...
Yes, but that too is speculative.

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To answer your comment, Buffalo > Indy, Columbus, San Antonio, Milwaukee, Jacksonville, etc... Until some city comes along and develops a comprehensive, efficient fast (rail-less) BRT,
Kansas City will soon have a more robust BRT system than Buffalo has with its single rail line. That is fact.
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:23 PM
 
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Agreed, though with rail Honlulu would be even better. There's a better practical case for rail than in much larger metros, such as Houston. I doubt Buffalo has a better transit system than Honolulu without rail.
I think once Honolulu's rail system opens it will easily have a better transit network than a lot of other much larger cities. It will by far be the smallest metro to have completely grade-separated rail rapid transit in North America.
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:27 PM
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I think once Honolulu's rail system opens it will easily have a better transit network than a lot of other much larger cities. It will by far be the smallest metro to have completely grade-separated rail rapid transit in North America.
It might be the smallest metro to have any type of rail (excluding Amtrak of course). Can you think of any that are smaller?
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:28 PM
 
Location: DFW
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The REAL question is which metro over 1 million has ADEQUATE mass transit?

To the OP's question. I elect Birmingham, Atlanta, Phoenix, Jacksonville, Tampa, Kansas City, Los Angeles (but they are improving), Las Vegas, Detroit... I'm quite sure there are many more.
Los Angeles has a public transportation system that's light years ahead of Detroit (having lived in both Metros) although still not practical for car-free use.
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