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Old 05-06-2014, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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I've never explored Dallas but don't they have commuter rail trying to imitate light-rail, all the while having no light-rail? If so, that doesn't sound impressive.
So you really don't know much about the transit systems in these cities do you??

Dallas had DART, which is a rather extensive full blown light rail system (much of it operates similar to heavy rail in dedicated right of way) as well as TRE commuter rail which connect Dallas to Fort Worth.

I'm not saying Dallas has an amazing transit system, I'm saying that they have built up quite a system in just the past decade or so and what Dallas has now is considerably more comprehensive than what Houston has.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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There's no way KC can have a worse transit system than OKC, which I believe has over 1 million people. IIRC, OKC's transit system shuts down before 8pm, and I don't think runs at all on Sundays. That might be ok for a metro of 100,000, but not for a metro of 1 million.
OKC is WAY worse than KC. Not even close. OKC daily ridership is lucky to hit 10k a day. KCATA and suburban transit JO hits 55-60k a day. I wouldn't call KC's transit system robust or comprehensive by any stretch of the imagination, but compared to OKC, it may as well be boston.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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There's no way KC can have a worse transit system than OKC, which I believe has over 1 million people. IIRC, OKC's transit system shuts down before 8pm, and I don't think runs at all on Sundays. That might be ok for a metro of 100,000, but not for a metro of 1 million.



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Old 05-06-2014, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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The TRE is a heavy commuter rail between Dallas and Fort Worth. It isn't up for debate on which city in Texas has the better transit network though DART could work in ridership. The line to Denton is the light rail commuter system.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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There's no way KC can have a worse transit system than OKC, which I believe has over 1 million people. IIRC, OKC's transit system shuts down before 8pm, and I don't think runs at all on Sundays. That might be ok for a metro of 100,000, but not for a metro of 1 million.
Wow. Closes at 8. I heard they do have proposals though so maybe it will get better soon. Not running on Sunday though. What is that all about.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Denver
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So you really don't know much about the transit systems in these cities do you??

Dallas had DART, which is a rather extensive full blown light rail system (much of it operates similar to heavy rail in dedicated right of way) as well as TRE commuter rail which connect Dallas to Fort Worth.

I'm not saying Dallas has an amazing transit system, I'm saying that they have built up quite a system in just the past decade or so and what Dallas has now is considerably more comprehensive than what Houston has.
Yes I know Houston, I already said I don't know Dallas. I've always been aware that Dallas had a more extensive system, although I've heard that it was built incorrectly that leads to some issues with user interaction.

Ahh there's what I was talking about. Light-rail that operates like heavy rail, while it's better than what Houston has at the moment, it sounds like a slight waste of money. Do the lines operate as heavy rail with less capacity?
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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Didn't Philly is about to connect to KOP. That's pretty interesting to know, sounds similar to the Silver Line connecting to Tyson's Corner.
It should be a nice addition to the Norristown High Speedline. King of Prussia is a huge employment center and having rail service there would definitely be a great for commuters.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Denver
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The TRE is a heavy commuter rail between Dallas and Fort Worth. It isn't up for debate on which city in Texas has the better transit network though DART could work in ridership. The line to Denton is the light rail commuter system.
Does a light-rail to Denton serve a purpose? Sounds about as useful as a light rail to Katy or The Woodlands.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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Yes I know Houston, I already said I don't know Dallas. I've always been aware that Dallas had a more extensive system, although I've heard that it was built incorrectly that leads to some issues with user interaction.

Ahh there's what I was talking about. Light-rail that operates like heavy rail, while it's better than what Houston has at the moment, it sounds like a slight waste of money. Do the lines operate as heavy rail with less capacity?
I think that's just one line. I think Dallas light rail has over 85 miles of track and for that much track, it should probably have more ridership than it does (I think around 200k a day). But still, I think they have come a long way and maybe all the investment in transit will start to pay off with more TOD in the suburbs and higher ridership. For a city built around freeways and a city still constantly expanding and building new freeways, I think what metro Dallas has done has been pretty impressive to get the ridership they are getting.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Denver
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I think that's just one line. I think Dallas light rail has over 85 miles of track and for that much track, it should probably have more ridership than it does (I think around 200k a day). But still, I think they have come a long way and maybe all the investment in transit will start to pay off with more TOD in the suburbs and higher ridership. For a city built around freeways and a city still constantly expanding and building new freeways, I think what metro Dallas has done has been pretty impressive to get the ridership they are getting.
Good news, hopefully Houston gets on board.
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