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View Poll Results: Which would you live in if you HAD to choose.
East St Louis 25 20.33%
Camden 98 79.67%
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Old 06-30-2014, 04:30 PM
 
Location: The City
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Actually, not at all. Both cities are roughly 90 miles away in distance from each other. In fact, The far south part of Milwaukee is very near to the end of the Chicago metropolitan area.
Camden is like 15-20 miles from the NYC MSA actually

also remember that NJ alone is basically the size of the whole Chicago metro. While I understand your point the scale of closer amenities is different

Philly is pretty close to Chicago on CSA size and then there is the NYC metro only a few miles away. Milwaukee is really not that much larger than the parallel (running west of Philly/NYC and directly adjacent) metro of Allentown/Beth/Reading here - just a different scale of close cities

there is a lot more development space between NYC and Philly (Camden) then there is between Mil and Chicago - and just for perspective the Central/N Jersey Job market (easy commuting distance from Camden) is probably the size of the Chicago burbs and Mil combined in terms of jobs - that excludes the majority of the Philly metro (including Philly proper) or NYC. Not a pissing match here but I just don't see the same thing.

This from someone who was in Waukegan last week and am always up and down the space between Philly and NYC.

regardless I think my point more is that Camden does have a better location compared to ESL because of all that is close and all the job opps 0lus better bones especially in select areas of the city

I mean Camden is pretty short commute to the Princeton tech job cluster among other things
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Old 06-30-2014, 04:32 PM
 
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FWIW, the southern border of Milwaukee and the northern border of Chicago are about 65 miles apart. Downtown to downtown is 80 miles.
And Philly to NYC - closest city borders are 45 miles apart

DT to DT if you use CC and Manhattan is about the same but there is 60 minute train service
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:26 PM
 
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And Philly to NYC - closest city borders are 45 miles apart
50 miles from NE Philly to the southern tip of Staten Island. Which doesn't make Camden any more or less of a crappy place to live.
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:31 PM
 
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50 miles from NE Philly to the southern tip of Staten Island. Which doesn't make Camden any more or less of a crappy place to live.
45 and mostly agree but still the comparison of the space between Mil and Chicago is not the same - been there done that - nearly the whole Metro Chicago population lives in the space between and that without either city on the ends in a shorter distance
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:38 PM
 
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45 and mostly agree but still the comparison of the space between Mil and Chicago is not the same - been there done that - nearly the whole Metro Chicago population lives in the space between and that without either city on the ends in a shorter distance
I have no idea what you just said. I also have no idea how the distance between Chicago and Milwaukee is at all relevant.
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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Camden does seem more lively looking at the pics (never been). One thing about ESTL is that if you drive through during the day, you don't really see anyone. Kinda eerie.

ESTL, Madison, Sauget etc. are all crappy. I'm not a huge fan of the metro east minus a few cities.
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Old 06-30-2014, 07:16 PM
 
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Camden does seem more lively looking at the pics (never been). One thing about ESTL is that if you drive through during the day, you don't really see anyone. Kinda eerie.

ESTL, Madison, Sauget etc. are all crappy. I'm not a huge fan of the metro east minus a few cities.
That's why I'm curious to the crime that happens there. How can some much people die in zombie land? Maybe it's the stats playing mind games on me.
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Old 06-30-2014, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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That's why I'm curious to the crime that happens there. How can some much people die in zombie land? Maybe it's the stats playing mind games on me.
Probably happens at night, I stay outta the area in the evening.
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Old 06-30-2014, 08:12 PM
 
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This doesn't look that bad...I mean I might live on that block. Quick access to Philly too just across the bridge.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Camde...12.29,,0,-2.66
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Old 06-30-2014, 08:21 PM
 
Location: The Midwest U.S.A. for now
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Camden is like 15-20 miles from the NYC MSA actually

also remember that NJ alone is basically the size of the whole Chicago metro. While I understand your point the scale of closer amenities is different

Philly is pretty close to Chicago on CSA size and then there is the NYC metro only a few miles away. Milwaukee is really not that much larger than the parallel (running west of Philly/NYC and directly adjacent) metro of Allentown/Beth/Reading here - just a different scale of close cities

there is a lot more development space between NYC and Philly (Camden) then there is between Mil and Chicago - and just for perspective the Central/N Jersey Job market (easy commuting distance from Camden) is probably the size of the Chicago burbs and Mil combined in terms of jobs - that excludes the majority of the Philly metro (including Philly proper) or NYC. Not a pissing match here but I just don't see the same thing.

This from someone who was in Waukegan last week and am always up and down the space between Philly and NYC.

regardless I think my point more is that Camden does have a better location compared to ESL because of all that is close and all the job opps 0lus better bones especially in select areas of the city

I mean Camden is pretty short commute to the Princeton tech job cluster among other things
The Chicago metro area is very large, the largest after Los Angeles. It wouldn't surprise me if NJ was that size. Still, Milwaukee and Chicago are roughly 90 miles apart, the same is so about Camden and New York City.
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