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View Poll Results: Which would you live in if you HAD to choose.
East St Louis 25 20.33%
Camden 98 79.67%
Voters: 123. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-01-2014, 11:22 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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I was in E. St. Louis last night and it wasn't pretty. It was quite scarry on the south side of E. St. Louis. The only thing over there are a handful of clubs, the casino queen, Metro Link to St. Louis and Scott air force base, a few churches and darkness.

Camden is much better from what I can remember several years ago. There is no comparison.
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Old 06-02-2014, 02:10 AM
 
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It's odd how rural East St Louis looks. If one didn't know better and just saw a picture of a regular scene there, they might think it's a farming community. I can't even imagine what horrible things go on over in East St Louis. The pictures gave me chills.
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Old 06-02-2014, 02:27 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Keep the pictures coming...very interesting stuff. I'd say Camden by the pictures looks way worse. Granted only a few pics in this thread but yikes. East st Louis it looks like theres at least some potential escape...and st Louis is across the river (in response to Philly being close).
Looks can be deceiving. I've been in neighborhoods that look like dumps but are actually quite safe (Troy Hill in Pittsburgh for example), and others with nicely manicured residential streets along with a serious crime problem (like Grand Crossing in Chicago).

I'd pick Camden of the two, as there at least looks to be signs of vitality and habitability along the riverfront, whereas ESL is a near-total wasteland from front to back and side to side. And being right across the river from STL is like saying "at least it's right across the river from Detroit." Everyone knows about Detroit's crime situation, but a lot of people don't know that STL's crime problem is just as serious. Philly, for all its faults, is a much more stable city than STL. Now, things even out a little more when you start tossing suburbs versus suburbs into the mix, but where the cities proper are concerned, St. Louis is nowhere near Philly's league.
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Old 06-02-2014, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Atlanta and St Simons Island, GA
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I picked Camden. I think it has the best shot at gentrification, what with Philadelphia on one side and Collingswood on the other.
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Old 06-02-2014, 05:47 AM
 
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Looks can be deceiving. I've been in neighborhoods that look like dumps but are actually quite safe (Troy Hill in Pittsburgh for example), and others with nicely manicured residential streets along with a serious crime problem (like Grand Crossing in Chicago).

I'd pick Camden of the two, as there at least looks to be signs of vitality and habitability along the riverfront, whereas ESL is a near-total wasteland from front to back and side to side. And being right across the river from STL is like saying "at least it's right across the river from Detroit." Everyone knows about Detroit's crime situation, but a lot of people don't know that STL's crime problem is just as serious. Philly, for all its faults, is a much more stable city than STL. Now, things even out a little more when you start tossing suburbs versus suburbs into the mix, but where the cities proper are concerned, St. Louis is nowhere near Philly's league.
Disagree. Outside of the North Side, St. Louis is doing just fine. Large swathes of the north side are blighted and infested with crime, but the rest of the city isn't bad at all. We're not like Detroit, where you have a good chance of being a crime victim almost anywhere; we're like Philly in that nearly all our inner-city poverty and crime is concentrated north of our CBD. North StL is very dangerous, but StL as a whole is far from a decrepit war zone. Let's be clear here-I don't think Camden has a better chance of coming back over EStL because St. Louis is more dangerous than Philly, because that's not true. Camden really has a better chance of coming back because it's in a far larger metro, near other major metros, close to the center of the nation's 5th largest city, and most importantly because it has suffered less blight and devastation than its Midwestern counterpart.
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Old 06-02-2014, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Crappyville,PA
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I have been to St. Louis, but never East St. Louis. Considering I grew up in Chester, and have been to Camden many times, I suppose just out of familiarity, I would choose Camden.
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Old 06-26-2014, 02:50 AM
 
Location: Morgantown, WV
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I know New Jersey pretty well, especially compared to Illinois which I've never been too. So, I voted Camden.
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Old 06-26-2014, 08:15 AM
 
Location: The Bay
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another odd scene:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=635+B...nsaSij_SQ&z=17

why are some of their backs turned? And the white (maybe hispanic) woman walking down the street is looking straight ahead.

Looks like they're shooting dice, there's some money on the ground.
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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Looks like they're shooting dice, there's some money on the ground.
Ah. Missed the money in that image.
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:27 AM
 
Location: The City
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