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As scorned as Phoenix has been over the years for being the poster child for sprawl and cookie cutter tract housing, they finally got the memo and development trends are starting to change. There is infill development happening in Tempe and Downtown Phoenix and also along Central Ave into Uptown. The light rail line that opened in 2008 between Mesa, Tempe/ASU, downtown Phoenix, and up to Central/Camelback has been the catalyst for new high density condo and apartment developments along the line. Many of them are the same modern cube style buildings you see going up in Denver and Seattle. I think the ASU link and millennial generation college student have really brought a lot more life in downtown Phoenix.
There is the new City-Scape development which is not anything out of the ordinary for urban retail/entertainment but it's a good start for downtown Phoenix. Chase Field and the US Airways arena are drawing crowds in and they now have more reasons to stick around after the game for a beer or a good meal. CityScape Phoenix | Restaurants | Shopping | Entertainment | Hotel in Downtown Phoenix
The core of Phoenix has a long way to go to get to the level of Seattle, Denver, or Minneapolis. However it deserves recognition for the changes and development along the light rail line, which is the longest starter light rail line in the country at 22 miles and it's expanding with future service into downtown Mesa and NW Phoenix in 2017. Though I really think Scottsdale really missed out on an opportunity for saying no to light rail going down Scottsdale Ave.
Light rail was a great move for the city and hopefully it will make the Valley more traversable, but most movement, at it's best, will be always be park and ride. Suburbs and sprawl will always play in the Valley. On that note Eastmark, a new master planned community in Mesa, landed an Apple facility, and will have a college campus and I think a Main Street concept. That will be an interesting project to watch.
CityScape is great and a much needed improvement. My issue with CityScape is that it's still a master planned, inward-facing development full of chains. The layout encourages people to walk around on the CityScape campus, which has an elevator and feels very enclosed from the inside, but doesn't promote interaction with the surrounding areas. Because it's inward facing, there aren't any doors or windows facing the street, just concrete walls. I think that was a big mistake.
Arcadia, a neighborhood in Phoenix, also shows promise. Some interesting restaurants have popped up there and the houses are beautiful and historic. That too has a ways to go, and I'm not sure if the city is helping things along.
I'd love to see an objective list of projects, either total units/SF in the pipeline, total capital investments,......something more objective than "nah nah na nah nah" or "Denver and Seattle, like totally".
I have some good stats for Minneapolis (but not St. Paul, and definitely not the metro area), but the filters and criteria I use may be different than those other people use. For example, when I say there are 16,000+ units of apartments in the "pipeline" in Minneapolis alone, the pipeline includes projects: recently completed, under construction, approved, or proposed. When other sources cite data it could mean just a few of those, it could include other cities or the metro as a whole, or it could include pie-in-the-sky visions that haven't even been submitted for review or designed.
Can anybody come up with some figures like what I'm suggesting? I can back up the #'s for "poor ole" Minneapolis.
I'd love to see an objective list of projects, either total units/SF in the pipeline, total capital investments,......something more objective than "nah nah na nah nah" or "Denver and Seattle, like totally".
I have some good stats for Minneapolis (but not St. Paul, and definitely not the metro area), but the filters and criteria I use may be different than those other people use. For example, when I say there are 16,000+ units of apartments in the "pipeline" in Minneapolis alone, the pipeline includes projects: recently completed, under construction, approved, or proposed. When other sources cite data it could mean just a few of those, it could include other cities or the metro as a whole, or it could include pie-in-the-sky visions that haven't even been submitted for review or designed.
Can anybody come up with some figures like what I'm suggesting? I can back up the #'s for "poor ole" Minneapolis.
That's all a pipe dream. Most of that is proposed and will never come to fruition. Most of those are in the Metro as a whole not in Munneapolis. Show some actually buildings that are completed, under construction or approved. I'd like to see a list but until than you are just stating facts that I'm not sure you can back up.
I'd love to see an objective list of projects, either total units/SF in the pipeline, total capital investments,......something more objective than "nah nah na nah nah" or "Denver and Seattle, like totally".
I have some good stats for Minneapolis (but not St. Paul, and definitely not the metro area), but the filters and criteria I use may be different than those other people use. For example, when I say there are 16,000+ units of apartments in the "pipeline" in Minneapolis alone, the pipeline includes projects: recently completed, under construction, approved, or proposed. When other sources cite data it could mean just a few of those, it could include other cities or the metro as a whole, or it could include pie-in-the-sky visions that haven't even been submitted for review or designed.
Can anybody come up with some figures like what I'm suggesting? I can back up the #'s for "poor ole" Minneapolis.
Ugh, here goes nothing.
Seattle:
Under Construction:
Amazon HQ (2 U/C, 1 site prep) 3x500 ft ~1,000,000 sq ft each
Isignia Condos 2x440 ft ~750 units
2030 8th Apartments 440ft ~350 units
815 Pine Apartments 440ft ~300 units
802 Seneca 300 ft ~300 units
225 Cedar 240 ft ~300 units
North Lot Various ~700 units
2025 Terry 200 ft ~200 rooms
Hill7 150 ft ~200 rooms + 300,000 sq ft
2720 4th 130 ft ~170 units
Walton Lofts 120 ft ~140 units
Proposed:
Urban Visions supertall 1000+ ft composition unknown
Rainier Square redevelopment 800+ ft ~750,000 sq ft + retail + hotel + residential
5th and Columbia 660 ft hotel and office
Civic Square 560 ft office
505 Madison 500ft ~750,000 sq ft
Hedreen Hotel 500ft ~1700 rooms
1200 Stewart 2x440 ft ~700 units
2nd and Pine 440 ft ~300 units
Cinerama Tower 440 ft ~300 units
Daola Tower 440 ft hotel + residences
AVA 440ft hotel + ~300 units
2000 3rd 440 ft ~450 units
2202 8th 440 ft ~450 units
9th and Lenora 440 ft ~400 units
Onni Development 2x400 ft 2x240 ft ~1800 units
Icon Tower 400 ft ~300 units
1821 Boren 400 ft ~400 units + office
2nd and Pike 400 ft office + retail + residential
1007 Stewart 21 stories ~300,000 sq ft
I know there are 100+ footers under construction and approved in South Lake Union, but I'm too lazy to find all of them, not to mention all of the 5-8 story stuff. Trying to find all of the woodframe stuff would be an exercise in futility.
Bellevue:
Under Construction:
Lincoln Square 2 2x450 ft office + retail + hotel + residential
929 Tower 240 ft ~400,000 sq ft
Soma Towers 240 ft ~250 units
Proposed:
The Bellevue 2x240 ft residential + retail
10833 NE 8th 300ft ~500,000 sq ft
Sterling Center 2,400,000 sq ft
Overall, I believe there are somewhere around 7,000 units under construction (not proposed or recently completed) in the core with around 14,000 units under construction within city limits (again, not proposed or recently completed).
Denver metro population 3,214,218 so only a matter of time before it passes Minneapolis
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