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I wanted to start another thread after the first thread comparing US and Canadian cities.
I wanted to bring up this interesting fact, because there is still this image that Americans have that Canada is this remote, endless forest, with this small population and that's why there is less violence there than the US.
Well, of course as one might know, the main difference is that Canada simply has over 90% of its landmass nearly uninhabited. Take the most wild, remote parts of the cold, northern part of the US, and make that over 90% of the US.
So, we're really only really interested in comparing the parts that actually are contiguously settled (which the US has a vastly higher % of its landmass compared to Canada).
So, when we compare the actual ENVIRONMENTS where North Americans live, a noticeably higher % of Canadians live in urban environments of at least 10,000 pp/sqmi (the threshold that many city buffs would consider urban) that are also as ethnically diverse/immigrant heavy as much as just about any US city outside maybe a couple areas of NY and LA maybe.
Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver have very similar population size and density to Chicago, Philadelphia, and San Francisco respectively. (2.7 million in 11,000 pp sqmi, 1.5/6 million in 11,000 ppp/sqmi, SF is slightly larger with sightly higherpop density, but 600,000 in 13,000 vs 800,000 in 17,000).
This means that about 1 of every seven Canadians (5 out of about 35 million) lives in areas that are as urban and diverse as anywhere in the US, save NYC, whereas the US may have many, many more urban centers, only a fraction of them are densely population and cosmopolitan, so the overall % of Americans that live in an urban setting of over 10,000 pp/sqmi interacting with foreign born people every day is smaller.
The important take home point is, is WHATEVER one might compare the US with Canada for, one thing can be said for sure, that a higher % of Canadians live in an urban and cosmopolitan environment than Americans do. So whether comparing gun violence or health care, one can not just right off, "you can't compare Canada to the US, because the US has a lot more people, with more big cities with more diversity, etc."
One can even claim that its possible that Canadian more liberal national policies from gun control to national healthcare are a product of its more urban society, whereas US policies are more a product of the population spread out amongst that gazillion small spread out towns that stick to "rugged cowboy individualism"
Thoughts?
LOL. That's a very American viewpoint, equating liberal with common sense gun laws. The fact is that Canada, even before cities grew of any consequence always had stricter gun laws than the US.
Here's a quick look at those laws.
Sorry incorrect. British Columbia's has a few fruit growing regions. The vast Okanagan Valley grows apples, peaches, grapes ( it'a a large wine region as well ), cherries etc.
Also the Fraser Valley outside of Vancouver grows Strawberries, blueberries, cranberries etc. as does some farms in Richmond, where the airport is.
Plus there are many farms on Vancouver Island that grow berries and fruits as well.
Vegetables are also grown in abundance, one being Chilliwack corn, in of course, Chilliwack B.C.
In fairness to Tex however, the U.S does have far more arable land than Canada which is why we cant in the least afford comproming these with uncontrolled urban growth (even including the areas you mentioned).
In fairness to Tex however, the U.S does have far more arable land than Canada which is why we cant in the least afford comproming these with uncontrolled urban growth (even including the areas you mentioned).
Absolutely, no argument there. I would just hate to see Tex having conversations in the future and stating that Ontario was the only place in Canada where fruit is grown. His new knowledge, may save an slightly embarrassing statement, especially since the Okanagan is a HUGE fruit growing region.
Your welcome. I'm here to help. LOL
I absolutely love both Chicago and Toronto - they are remarkably similar cities. But it is clear that Toronto is passing/has passed Chicago in terms of urbanism if you leave out everythng else, such as history.
One of the striking features of American cities is the lack of tall buildings outside of the downtown core. Many cities zone against it. Canadian cities are the opposite - from my observations, Halifax, Nova Scotia has more 10+ story buildings outside of its core than even a city like Columbus, Ohio (where I live), which is 5 times the size. Toronto has a number of urban centers - Mississauga alone puts a number of US downtowns to shame.
Absolutely, no argument there. I would just hate to see Tex having conversations in the future and stating that Ontario was the only place in Canada where fruit is grown. His new knowledge, may save an slightly embarrassing statement, especially since the Okanagan is a HUGE fruit growing region.
Your welcome. I'm here to help. LOL
I absolutely love both Chicago and Toronto - they are remarkably similar cities. But it is clear that Toronto is passing/has passed Chicago in terms of urbanism if you leave out everythng else, such as history.
One of the striking features of American cities is the lack of tall buildings outside of the downtown core. Many cities zone against it. Canadian cities are the opposite - from my observations, Halifax, Nova Scotia has more 10+ story buildings outside of its core than even a city like Columbus, Ohio (where I live), which is 5 times the size. Toronto has a number of urban centers - Mississauga alone puts a number of US downtowns to shame.
I believe Mississauga has almost or as many highrises as Atlanta lol..
LOL. That's a very American viewpoint, equating liberal with common sense gun laws. The fact is that Canada, even before cities grew of any consequence always had stricter gun laws than the US.
Here's a quick look at those laws.
As for Healthcare, that came from Tommy Douglas, and started in rural Saskatchewan, not a urban province at all.
Thanks for the information. I'm still a product of my nation. I for one, don't really understand or relate to Americas obsession over the second amendment, and neither do many people.
There are rural, liberal areas of the US as well, as incidentally, they are the ones in the north, closer to Canada. (Upper midwest, which had Germans and Scandinavians some with a slight "socialist" bent. As opposed to the South).
While I don't agree with everything Michael Moore says in his films, and he very clearly has an agenda to push, he is one of the few Americans that understand that Americans can understand have a wealth of knowledge to learn from our neighbors to the north, even if he automatically paints it as "grass is greener".
As far as agriculture in BC, I figured there was fruit and wine country there I just knew nothing about it. Outside Vancouver, I equated BC with mostly lush PNW forests in glaciated valleys, and fishing in the fjords, etc. Now I know.
I don't think so. From Wikipedia, I see that Mississauga has 18 buildings over 100m. Atlanta has 37.
How tall is a highrise? I said numbers of highrises as a total not number of buildings over 100m. Remember Mississauga is a Satellite city of Toronto in the GTA. Atlanta is the core of a 5 million metro. Anyway I looked at emporis and Atlanta does have more 600 buildings vs Mississauga's 393.
Thanks for the information. I'm still a product of my nation. I for one, don't really understand or relate to Americas obsession over the second amendment, and neither do many people.
There are rural, liberal areas of the US as well, as incidentally, they are the ones in the north, closer to Canada. (Upper midwest, which had Germans and Scandinavians some with a slight "socialist" bent. As opposed to the South).
While I don't agree with everything Michael Moore says in his films, and he very clearly has an agenda to push, he is one of the few Americans that understand that Americans can understand have a wealth of knowledge to learn from our neighbors to the north, even if he automatically paints it as "grass is greener".
As far as agriculture in BC, I figured there was fruit and wine country there I just knew nothing about it. Outside Vancouver, I equated BC with mostly lush PNW forests in glaciated valleys, and fishing in the fjords, etc. Now I know.
Yes Michael Moore does exaggerate some things. The " Canadians don't lock their doors at night " is total BS.
I'm sure some don't, but not in the cities.
British Columbia has a fairly diverse landscape. Yes we have mountains and forests that you'd expect, but as you learned the Okanagan has landscapes that look like parts of California.
It's a large province and I haven't seen all of it, and probably never will.
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