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View Poll Results: Do you prefer New York City or the Los Angeles area?
New York City 129 70.49%
Los Angeles 54 29.51%
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Old 01-20-2008, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Twilight Zone
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Originally Posted by Beliy Plashik View Post
Including those outrageous fires that happen every year So a lot of the natural setting is being lost towards the major fires. Do not forget that.

The mountains are great, but on the East Coast there are rivers, creeks, berries growing.

Southern Cali landscape is dry and has the kind of shrubs and barely any creeks that flow 365 days a year.

Now when you go further to Sacramento, San Francisco area it is totally different!! in the mountains,
Yes the east coast landscape is very different than southern California......NYC is quite a bit farther north than Los Angeles is too.

No, the southern California landscape isn't completely dry and shrubs......the San Bernardino mountains are over 6,000 feet high, and full of large trees.....also, the mountains over towards Palm Springs are very tall and full of large trees. Watch out for those sweeping generalizations.

Most of the fires in CA are in the same areas each year and they don't affect the entire southern portion of the state.

Still, as a southern CA native, I by far prefer northern California.

 
Old 01-20-2008, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Maryland's 6th District.
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Who cares!?!?
 
Old 01-20-2008, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Twilight Zone
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Who cares!?!?
LOL Obviously someone does, or they wouldn't have asked the question.
 
Old 01-20-2008, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Texas
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It's a part of the forest that has been burned it looks like, and still in the foothills. There are tons of tall pine trees up in the actual mountains.

What you're showing in the picture is still higher than the "piney forests" in southern Texas. lol
HA! The piney forests in East Texas have some pretty big trees. For example:







Those were taken in the northern Houston suburbs.
 
Old 01-20-2008, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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HA! The piney forests in East Texas have some pretty big trees. For example:



Those were taken in the northern Houston suburbs.

Exactly!! Notice something about the pics? They where taken in developed enviorments like the zoo and suburbs. They where most likely planted there.


Are there a large substance of piney forests in the wild??? Not just a few trees.
 
Old 01-20-2008, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Twilight Zone
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HA! The piney forests in East Texas have some pretty big trees. For example:

Those were taken in the northern Houston suburbs.
Guerilla, those pictures look like they came off a web site advertising an area.

I live in Texas....I'm sorry but if you think this state has any forests or mountains that even come close to comparing to those in Southern CA, you are sorely mistaken.
 
Old 01-20-2008, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Maryland's 6th District.
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LOL Obviously someone does, or they wouldn't have asked the question.
I know. Usually when someone asks a question like this it is because they are motivated by something like a potential move or doing research of some other sort. The OP seemed to ask out of curiosity-nothing wrong with that-except that the whole NY vs. LA bit seems to pop up in every third thread.

Some love LA.
Some love NY.
Some hate LA.
Some hate NY.
Some like them both.
Some wish both cities would fall into the ocean.

This topic is the proverbial flogging of a dead horse.
 
Old 01-20-2008, 10:56 PM
 
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So, you are telling me with the increase amount of automobiles in the NYC, that pollution is not high? Well, let's see:

America's Most Polluted Cities - Forbes.com

NYC right there at 9
However, LA's #1 with almost half the population:

City Mayors: The most polluted US cities
 
Old 01-21-2008, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Henderson NV
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No more freeways: Los Angeles is on the road
to become one of the greenest American cities
By Micki Krimmel*
15 February 2007: Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa has made it one of his goals to transform his city into “the greenest big city in America”. Plagued with traffic problems and the worst air quality in the country, LA is more often equated with urban sprawl and asthma than a model of sustainability. But that transformation is exactly what Villaraigosa and Deputy Mayor Nancy Sutley have in mind.

| Energy | Water | Transportation | Waste disposal | Community projects | Planting trees | International |

Nancy Sutley is the Deputy Mayor for Energy and the Environment for the City of Los Angeles, and is also Mayor Villaraigosa’s appointment to the Board of Directors for the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California. With a long history in environmental policy at both the state and federal level, Ms Sutley is in a unique position to lead Los Angeles toward sustainability.

Energy
The majority of energy for Los Angeles comes from coal plants in Arizona and Utah. Currently, only six per cent of LA’s power is renewable (mostly wind power from the San Francisco Bay area). The mayor’s office has set a goal for the city to use 20 per cent green energy by 2010. Is it realistic to jump from six per cent to 20 per cent renewable energy in just three years? In a word, yes.

Southern California Edison is building a huge solar farm in the Mojave Desert. New technologies are making solar energy more affordable and less space-intensive. The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power is also working on geothermal projects in the Salton Sea area.

LA has also recently embarked on a pilot project whereby bio-solids from local sewage treatment plants are converted into clean energy. Solid waste is disposed in abandoned oil wells. As the waste decomposes, methane is produced. The methane powers a fuel cell, which generates green electricity.

Deputy Mayor Sutley explained the continuing need to decrease LA’s demand for energy. One of the most effective ways to lessen demand is embracing green building practices. Los Angeles now requires all new public buildings to meet LEED (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) standards provided by the US Green Building Council. Los Angeles boasts seven LEED certified projects, including the Platinum-rated Lake View Terrace Branch of the Los Angeles Public Library. The city also has 59 LEED registered projects, placing it fifth in the US for the highest number of registered projects. Los Angeles is also working with private developers by providing resources and incentives to build green in the area.

Water
The system for supplying and delivering water in California is incredibly inefficient. So much energy is spent treating and transporting water that the Department of Water Services is the largest consumer of electricity in the state. Being among the most arid regions of the state, Los Angeles has a long history of water conservation and has actually managed to do a fair job of it. LA’s water consumption has remained steady since 1990 even with a 15 per cent increase in population.

In the mid 1990’s, Los Angeles mandated low flow toilets and showerheads for the entire city. Neighborhood by neighborhood, local nonprofit organizations were enlisted to deliver and install the new toilets – for free. This project can be credited with the majority of the city’s water savings and it also provided jobs and engaged the community.

Next, Los Angeles will tackle water usage for landscaping, at citywide level as well as for corporations and individuals. The plans include installing smart irrigation systems in parks, diverting more treated waste water from the oceans for outdoor use, and creating more green space with native trees and plants to absorb storm runoff to stave pollution of the ocean and the region’s groundwater.

Transportation
According to Sutley, “LA hasn’t spent a dime in 15 years on expanding freeway capacity.” Instead, the city has focused on building carpool lanes, making the city more bike-friendly and expanding public transport. Over one million people use LA’s public transit every day and the MTA has the largest fleet of compressed natural gas buses in North America. The goal is to move away from diesel buses entirely by 2008. Massive expansions to the light rail and subway system are also on the docket, including the hotly debated Subway to the Sea project.

Waste disposal
Los Angeles produces 8,000 tons of garbage every day. With limited landfill space, LA was an early pioneer of curbside recycling. Currently, 62 per cent of waste is diverted from landfills and the goal is to increase that percentage to 70 per cent by 2015 through increased recycling programs and proposals to divert green waste to ethanol production facilities.

Community projects
Many other projects are underway to help green Los Angeles and make the city more liveable by creating more park spaces and building community. As we’ve reported before, the LA River is undergoing a massive revitalization. This program began as a grassroots effort and recently, the city announced a 20-year plan to remove concrete from much of the river, add bike paths and parks and make the way for new real estate development. The goal is to bring the river back to the people of Los Angeles.

Planting trees
Another initiative launched by the Mayor’s office is the community effort Million Trees LA:

• Many of the one million new trees will be planted by City departments on public property. Others will be planted throughout the City by individual volunteers, community groups, organizations, and businesses.

• Million Trees LA is a cooperative effort between the City of Los Angeles, community groups, businesses, and individuals working together to plant and provide long-term stewardship of one million trees planted where they’re needed most.

• Million Trees LA will take several years and build on other programs that plant and care for the urban forest.

• Trees that maximize sustainability – with a preference on native and drought tolerant species – are recommended.

Asking the residents of LA to adopt a tree may seem like more of a marketing campaign than a real substantive environmental effort. But Million Trees LA is a real strategic effort toward building a greener city.

A tree canopy analysis will be used to:
1. Map Los Angeles’ current tree canopy
2. Inventory potential tree planting sites
3. Forecast future environmental and social benefits

Planting will be guided by this information with an emphasis on schools, underserved communities, transportation corridors and areas along the Los Angeles River.

International
The Mayor’s Office’s goals are not limited to greening Los Angeles, improving its economy and making the city more liveable for its residents. Deputy Mayor Sutley also aims to share successes and create standards for other cities. “Cities are all basically the same,” she said. “We all have to deal with roads, water, energy and waste.” Because national and international governments can be slow to act, mayors of cities worldwide are collaborating to take matters into their own hands. “Cities are the first responders. If climate change causes more local forest fires, we have to deal with that on a city level. We can’t afford to wait for national or international action.” Nancy Sutley represents Los Angeles in the Large Cities Climate Group, an international organization of mayors founded in partnership with the Clinton Global Initiative.

As an Angeleno, it can be difficult to feel connected with your fellow city-dwellers. The city is broken up into disparate neighborhoods and driving from one to another, you often feel like a tourist rather than a local. I hope that the initiatives from the Mayor’s Office will help bring the communities together in a shared vision for a greener LA. As Los Angeles increasingly becomes a model of sustainability for other cities, it will build a green identity for itself and give its residents something to rally behind.

^^^ From that same site, thanks
 
Old 01-21-2008, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Scarsdale, NY
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Yeah, NYC does have a lot of cars... There are 23 million people in the metropolitan area. But NYC is also very green. Guerilla, scientists study this EVERY DAY, now you're going to talk about the basic stats that they already know about and say they're wrong? I mean these people went to MIT, Harvard or some other Ivy League university... Now they're wrong? They're lying? You used only ONE of the many factors to determine a city's pollution rate. Sorry, I'll stick with the scientists conclusions.

I won't deny for a second that NYC is polluted... Just not as much as LA. And NYC is on the verge of taking the trophy for its environmental-friendliness. Hybrid cabs, hybrid buses? Now that's what I'm talking about! And hybrids are only growing in NYC.

BUT THE GIANTS ARE IN THE SUPER BOWL! GOD I LOVE IT!
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