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View Poll Results: Will DC's CSA edge out Chicago's by 2020.
Yes, DC CSA will edge out Chicago 28 33.73%
No, Chicago CSA will still be more populous than DC CSA 55 66.27%
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Jonesboro
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Whogoeshere has just hit on a few salient points in this debate.
Perhaps by 2025 the two CSA's will exchange place in rank.
For what it's worth to me personally, if it does happen that will just be little more than a point of D.C./Balt pride & a number in the record book because Chicago as a "city" will still be one of the big 3, which is readily apparent to a visitor there who is knowledgable of what constitutes our other large American cities.
So, I'd say that when the 2 CSA's exchange place in rank, it will be no big deal.
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Old 02-17-2015, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Doesn't matter, Chicago itself could be considered America's "2nd city" and with DC only gaining 20,000 jobs last year, that doesn't look promising.

Chicago also is a 9 million MSA

Washington is a 6 million MSA.

Which tells the true story instead of CSA.
Well, in DC's case, CSA is a much better way of grasping the areas population imo. DC and Baltimore really are just one metro area, but since they have such strong identities on their own they divide them as much as possible (I suppose).
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Old 02-17-2015, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Well, in DC's case, CSA is a much better way of grasping the areas population imo. DC and Baltimore really are just one metro area, but since they have such strong did entities on their own they divide them as much as possible (I suppose).
Yeah but it still does not feel it is even close to the size of Chicago even if you combine DC and Baltimore.
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Old 02-17-2015, 11:00 AM
 
Location: DC
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DC and Baltimore as cities are not that intertwined, but the southern suburbs of Baltimore outside of Baltimore county, are also suburbs of DC. So it can get a little confusing. But the cities themselves they are disconnected. I am not sure DC will link up with Baltimore in an MSA, but DC's MSA is likely to expand into the Baltimore suburbs. The truth is about Baltimore, in terms of a city it is not doing too well.
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Old 02-17-2015, 11:54 AM
 
Location: East Boston, MA
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These things are based on stats, specifically commuter patterns. When and if the DC-Baltimore CSA reach that threshold, or if the criteria is changed, then it will happen.
MSA isn't a bad measure, but MSAs are based on commuter patterns in counties. At the end of the day, counties in the U.S. are essentially arbitrary imaginary lines (not unlike city boundaries-- and we know how people feel about the validity of city limit stats when it comes to definitive data) drawn up by the state and local governments. Counties in Texas don't function the same way they do in Maryland. Stats may skew one way in DFW because of the way a county boundary is drawn up and another in Baltimore/DC because of the way a county boundary was drawn up.

Personally, I wouldn't hang my hat on MSA vs. CSA numbers for either of those areas simply because the county based system the Census Bureau uses definitely has its flaws and holes.
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Old 02-17-2015, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Jersey City
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All of this will be moot until Chicago's CSA absorbs Milwaukee
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Old 02-17-2015, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Do you think by the next census that DC will edge out Chicago to become the #3 US CSA? Or will DC's population growth slow down & not be able to surpass it in the next 5 years?
Keep in mind Chicagos growth is almost entirely organic. Chicago grew as a city , growth spread into nearby land in a defined urban area over hundreds of years.

Washington DC on the other hand is a merging of 2 distinctly different metro's(Baltimore) with questionably large boundaries thrown in for good measure eg WVA .
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Old 02-17-2015, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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CSA makes sense for the Bay Area, and thats about it. Maybe one other.

The rest of the US, MSA is best.
Not even the Bay Area . San Jose and the North Bay cities grew independent of each other. San Jose is an independent metro with its own life cycle.

CMSAs are a gimmick for regions to appear bigger/more recognizable than they actually are. Not surprising DC the center of shadiness was the first one to make up the CMSA category.
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Old 02-17-2015, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA
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Yeah but it still does not feel it is even close to the size of Chicago even if you combine DC and Baltimore.
Thats not really what the thread is about tho.

The OP simply asks if DC-Baltimore might surpass Chicago in population by 2020.

The answer imo, is probably.

But someone mentioned DCs slowing job growth which is a good point, so we'll see.
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Old 02-17-2015, 07:22 PM
 
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Thats not really what the thread is about tho.

The OP simply asks if DC-Baltimore might surpass Chicago in population by 2020.

The answer imo, is probably.

But someone mentioned DCs slowing job growth which is a good point, so we'll see.
Thank you for pointing this out. This thread is about CSA, not MSA. A lot of people don't seem to understand that & just keep saying Chicago will still be the better city no matter what. I wasn't asking which city was better, I was just asking whether the DC CSA will surpass Chicago's in the next 5-10 years
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