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View Poll Results: Will DC's CSA edge out Chicago's by 2020.
Yes, DC CSA will edge out Chicago 28 33.73%
No, Chicago CSA will still be more populous than DC CSA 55 66.27%
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:02 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Whogoeshere has just hit on a few salient points in this debate.
Perhaps by 2025 the two CSA's will exchange place in rank.
For what it's worth to me personally, if it does happen that will just be little more than a point of D.C./Balt pride & a number in the record book because Chicago as a "city" will still be one of the big 3, which is readily apparent to a visitor there who is knowledgable of what constitutes our other large American cities.
So, I'd say that when the 2 CSA's exchange place in rank, it will be no big deal.
Chicago is a greater city than both DC and Balt on many levels but just as it's the "3rd city" or 2nd city does that make its CSA greater than DC-Balt? I think on a regional scale many could say not at all. Bottom line DC-Baltimore is a major force and economy to deal with. 4th in population, 3rd or 4th in GDP it's not like the area is that far behind. The regions amenities are most definitely on par with the combined amenities of the greater Chicagoland region. So whether people want to split DC/ Balt up or not, we find as much here in this area of our 50 mile radius of amenities as you can find in an area as large as Chicago. The main difference is the size of Chicago's city and being one media market rather than split into two in a 35 mile stretch.
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:03 PM
 
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The OP seems almost desperate in his attempt to boost DC over Chicago.

Chicago can also draw upon Racine, Kenosha, Rockford and the big prize, Milwaukee, too...
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Chicago has had horrible spikes in murders over the last few years, & I believe it even beat out NYC for the most murders a few years ago. DC has actually gone down over the last 2 decades, & is currently stabalized at 100 murders a year. So your statements aren't entirely true. Baltimore does have a horrendous murder rate, but if people want to leave Baltimore, they move to DC. So the region never really loses population because of this
No, Chicago had *one* year of spiked homicides (2012). 2014 and 2013 were historical lows for homicides, as were several of the previous years. Chicago has more than halved its homicide rate since the 90s. In 2014 the homicide rate in Chicago and D.C. were virtually tied. My statements were perfectly accurate. If crime is a problem in Chicago, then it's also a problem in D.C. and something completely different in Baltimore.
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:07 PM
 
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The OP seems almost desperate in his attempt to boost DC over Chicago.

Chicago can also draw upon Racine, Kenosha, Rockford and the big prize, Milwaukee, too...
This clearly isn't an attempt to boost DC over Chicago, I never was trying to say DC was better than Chicago. We were looking at population growth statistics & seeing what forces could help to push DC past Chicago in terms of CSA
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA
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I am honestly surprised that the bay area isn't #3 in the US with how big of a region it is
The Bay Area probably should be bigger since the CSA has the 3rd largest economy, despite being 5th in population with 1 million less than DC or Chicago.

So I actually dont feel bad at all.
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:08 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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The OP seems almost desperate in his attempt to boost DC over Chicago.

Chicago can also draw upon Racine, Kenosha, Rockford and the big prize, Milwaukee, too...
DC to Baltimore is a 30 min drive, with multiple interconnected transit options inbetween, the places your mentioning do not compare to the Baltimore Washington area.
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:08 PM
 
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No, Chicago had *one* year of spiked homicides (2012). 2014 and 2013 were historical lows for homicides, as were several of the previous years. Chicago has more than halved its homicide rate since the 90s. In 2014 the homicide rate in Chicago and D.C. were virtually tied. My statements were perfectly accurate. If crime is a problem in Chicago, then it's also a problem in D.C. and something completely different in Baltimore.
Murders went up in Chicago between 2013 & 2014 though by 13, with over 400 more shootings
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Murders went up in Chicago between 2013 & 2014 though by 13, with over 400 more shootings
Crime in Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They list 2013: 441 homicides; 2014: 431 homicides. The point still stands: Chicago and D.C. have currently virtually the same homicide rate, and Baltimore a much, much higher one. If crime is a problem in Chicago, it's a problem in D.C. and Baltimore.
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:15 PM
 
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Crime in Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They list 2013: 441 homicides; 2014: 431 homicides. The point still stands: Chicago and D.C. have currently virtually the same homicide rate, and Baltimore a much, much higher one. If crime is a problem in Chicago, it's a problem in D.C. and Baltimore.
From what I could find online, per 100,000 residents, DC had 13 murders & Chicago had 15 murders. But obviously neither of these stats are good & both cities have a lot to work on
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:22 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Crime in Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They list 2013: 441 homicides; 2014: 431 homicides. The point still stands: Chicago and D.C. have currently virtually the same homicide rate, and Baltimore a much, much higher one. If crime is a problem in Chicago, it's a problem in D.C. and Baltimore.
Crime in Chicago is much more of a concern especially since the cities combined DC and Baltimore make up 1/3 of Chicago's population and land mass. As far as the CSA goes those are the primary two places where you have the most crime within DC or Baltimore proper. That's only like a combined 150 sq miles out of more than 8000 sq miles, some suburbs have minimal crime in Maryland but regardless the only buffer zone between these two cities are literally some of the wealthiest counties in the entire country. You cannot get from Baltimore to DC without riding through at least one of them.
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