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Old 03-08-2015, 07:21 AM
 
Location: New York City
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They're only 2.5-3 hours away, what's the strongest similarities and differences? Which do you prefer?
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Old 03-08-2015, 02:50 PM
 
Location: east coast
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This will be a very interesting comparison. And this is not about city bashing but more so of having a better understanding.

I have acknowledged the culture of DC along with its surrounding areas having lived here for close to 2 years now. But I can't identify with it or really understand where it gets its energy from. I would love to know if Philadelphia has any influence on the DC area although I don't know enough about philly. I simply can't put my finger on the DC culture and really thought DC would get it's energy from NY and bordering cities being so close but it seems like it's in a world of its own. Nothing wrong with having your identity but influence is good too.

Having lived in Miami for 10 years, I understood where it did and didn't get it's influence from. Miami/south Florida is what I call manicultural in a way that yes, it is multicultural and diverse but many of this diversity comes from within the latino/caribbean countries. There isn't so much external influence from neighboring states.

I am currently away on work travel in Southern California but having been here for the first time in my life and within only 2 weeks, I can feel the influence from other states like texas, nevada, arizona, and new mexico. It's not because I am in an awakened state or have any biases towards DC. But I find DC to be really centralized. Everything, as in main attractions, revolve around DC with no outlet. The MGM is hoping to create an outlet in nearby Maryland but there isn't anything around that area yet in the form of entertainment to compliment the waterfront. Similar to how Atlantic city didn't build the city around it's casinos and is hurting.

So I am curious how this thread moves forward and see if the two cities influence each other.
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Old 03-08-2015, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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This will be a very interesting comparison. And this is not about city bashing but more so of having a better understanding.

I have acknowledged the culture of DC along with its surrounding areas having lived here for close to 2 years now. But I can't identify with it or really understand where it gets its energy from. I would love to know if Philadelphia has any influence on the DC area although I don't know enough about philly. I simply can't put my finger on the DC culture and really thought DC would get it's energy from NY and bordering cities being so close but it seems like it's in a world of its own. Nothing wrong with having your identity but influence is good too.

Having lived in Miami for 10 years, I understood where it did and didn't get it's influence from. Miami/south Florida is what I call manicultural in a way that yes, it is multicultural and diverse but many of this diversity comes from within the latino/caribbean countries. There isn't so much external influence from neighboring states.

I am currently away on work travel in Southern California but having been here for the first time in my life and within only 2 weeks, I can feel the influence from other states like texas, nevada, arizona, and new mexico. It's not because I am in an awakened state or have any biases towards DC. But I find DC to be really centralized. Everything, as in main attractions, revolve around DC with no outlet. The MGM is hoping to create an outlet in nearby Maryland but there isn't anything around that area yet in the form of entertainment to compliment the waterfront. Similar to how Atlantic city didn't build the city around it's casinos and is hurting.

So I am curious how this thread moves forward and see if the two cities influence each other.
Don't forget that DC didn't draw its bedrock culture from the Northeast. A lot of people from further Northeast spend some time in DC and sense how different it turns out to be than perhaps they were expecting. But DC has a subtle layer of social rules and order that also have southern hue and while the city itself became super cosmopolitan over the years, those underlying influences have actually been reinforced by the fact that it's the nation's capital. It's wedged between Virginia and Maryland, literally and figuratively. Some people think the city comes off arrogant, but it could also be a misreading of the energy of the nation's capital.

Philly to me is a very different city. It has always had a rich sense of self, attitude, influenced by diverse peoples who came there and made it home. At the same time, it is very classic American, hardworking and salt of the earth. Ethnic cuisine and neighborhoods, a different kind of authenticity and grit. Social rules and etiquette? Nah, none of that stuff (unless you're on the Main Line). But you'll have a good time! Perhaps, it's a little rough on the edges, but it's all good.
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Old 03-08-2015, 06:43 PM
 
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But DC has a subtle layer of social rules and order that also have southern hue and while the city itself became super cosmopolitan over the years, those underlying influences have actually been reinforced by the fact that it's the nation's capital.
I lived in DC for 20 years and never once noticed a "southern hue" except for red necks in the distant burbs.
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Old 03-08-2015, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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I lived in DC for 20 years and never once noticed a "southern hue" except for red necks in the distant burbs.
DC's got a bit of formality and even a little social character that'd be more associated with the south than other parts of the Northeast. Overall it's a mix. Think Charlottesville meets Annapolis writ large. Throw in some international flair and you've got a pretty interesting city. I'd hate to see this discussion become another one of those threads. And I know you're not saying the south is defined by 'red necks'? I mean, really? That'd be a pretty narrow viewpoint. Clearly, Philly is not the same place as DC.
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Old 03-09-2015, 04:52 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Are D.C. and Philly really that night and day?

Oh and yes I don't want this thread to turn in a certain direction that we all know of.
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Old 03-09-2015, 07:02 AM
 
Location: The City
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Are D.C. and Philly really that night and day?

Oh and yes I don't want this thread to turn in a certain direction that we all know of.
night and day no, but for as close as they are are really pretty different. DC is pretty unique really based on the influences and number of transplants and overall draws its past differently than Philadelphia

I like them both for what they are but if you think of the 5 NE cities today to me DC is probably the most different out of the bunch (all with their differences obviously)
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Old 03-09-2015, 07:15 AM
 
Location: New York City
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night and day no, but for as close are they are are really pretty different. DC is pretty unique really based on the influences and number of transplants and overall draws its past differently than Philadelphia

I like them both for what they are but if you think of the 5 NE cities today to me DC is probably the most different out of the bunch (all with their differences obviously)
To me Philly, Baltimore, and NYC feel the most alike although there are some obvious and very strong differences. Next up would be Boston but since it has a history of heavy industry and home to a strong Irish and Italian population it's still very tied to the other three. D.C. on the other hand is really different historically so it turned out being separate from the other four in many significant ways. But I still think D.C. shares even less in common with Richmond and Hampton roads.
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Old 03-09-2015, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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Don't forget that DC didn't draw its bedrock culture from the Northeast. A lot of people from further Northeast spend some time in DC and sense how different it turns out to be than perhaps they were expecting. But DC has a subtle layer of social rules and order that also have southern hue and while the city itself became super cosmopolitan over the years, those underlying influences have actually been reinforced by the fact that it's the nation's capital. It's wedged between Virginia and Maryland, literally and figuratively. Some people think the city comes off arrogant, but it could also be a misreading of the energy of the nation's capital.

Philly to me is a very different city. It has always had a rich sense of self, attitude, influenced by diverse peoples who came there and made it home. At the same time, it is very classic American, hardworking and salt of the earth. Ethnic cuisine and neighborhoods, a different kind of authenticity and grit. Social rules and etiquette? Nah, none of that stuff (unless you're on the Main Line). But you'll have a good time! Perhaps, it's a little rough on the edges, but it's all good.
I think that's a very accurate description based on my extensive experience with both cities. The social culture in DC is extremely influenced historically by being the nation's seat of government and the types of people this tends to attract. The bureaucratic mindset is pervasive.

I also absolutely agree that the "social order" aspect is a major undertone in the city. While no one mistakes DC for a Southern city in modern times, the status, institution and position-obsessed culture is alive and well. Your career essentially defines you as a person.

Conversely, in a city like Philly, people are much more independent-minded and status is always questioned. Character--not money, educational attainment, or position of power--is the basis of respect in Philly.

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Old 03-09-2015, 08:19 AM
 
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To me Philly, Baltimore, and NYC feel the most alike although there are some obvious and very strong differences. Next up would be Boston but since it has a history of heavy industry and home to a strong Irish and Italian population it's still very tied to the other three. D.C. on the other hand is really different historically so it turned out being separate from the other four in many significant ways. But I still think D.C. shares even less in common with Richmond and Hampton roads.
Really, in what way(s)?
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