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Old 03-24-2015, 06:04 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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The middle class varies from each city to city, what MEDIAN salary is considered necessary to be "middle class" in the major cities:


San Jose, CA- $103,000
Seattle, WA- $102,000
San Francisco, CA- $96,000
Portland, OR- $72,000
Washington DC- $71,000
San Diego, CA- $71,000
Dallas, TX- $69,000
Colorado Springs, CO- $68,000
Denver, CO- $65,000
Minneapolis, MN- $64,000

Rest of the list follows here:

How much money you need to make to be ‘middle class’ in every big city - The Washington Post

Does the list seem accurate or just about right?
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Old 03-24-2015, 06:19 PM
 
Location: First Hill, Seattle
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Ok sorry but I call bs. 57k is middle class in NYC but you need 67k to be middle class in Omaha friggin Nebraska? Get real!
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Old 03-24-2015, 06:37 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Ok sorry but I call bs. 57k is middle class in NYC but you need 67k to be middle class in Omaha friggin Nebraska? Get real!


Again that was only median family income, NY had over 75% of families with 109k. These are MSA numbers by the way.
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Old 03-24-2015, 06:46 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Again that was only median family income, NY had over 75% of families with 109k. These are MSA numbers by the way.
I think it's 75% of families make LESS than $109K and 25% made less than $27K.
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Old 03-24-2015, 06:54 PM
 
Location: The City
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Again that was only median family income, NY had over 75% of families with 109k. These are MSA numbers by the way.
actually only those with an asterisk are for the MSA if you look at the footnotes

MSA listed include LV, Colorado Springs, Omaha, Dallas, San Diego and an Jose - All others are city proper

make sense as the Philly MSA would be significantly higher than what is charted here as Philly has very large poor and even working class population, especially proportionally

As an example based on the chart

DC 50% make more than 71K or ~ 320K residents of DC
In Philly 25% make more than 83K or ~ 387K residents of Philly

Cities are harder to compare in some ways than MSAs.

DC is definitely proportionally more wealthy than Philly and Philly more impoverished proportionally within the cities - DC has made a huge turn-around really in the last 20 years in this regard

Also for NYC (was city not MSA) only 25% were > than 109K not 75%
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Old 03-24-2015, 09:37 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Odd list. Wonder why they used El Paso but not Houston, San Antonio or Austin which are all larger. The headline is not very accurate. Even if you argue MSA I'm pretty sure Houston is bigger than many in the list of the "biggest cities". Pretty good COL in Houston and SA too. Austin not so much anymore...
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Old 03-26-2015, 10:30 AM
 
Location: The Springs
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MSA listed include LV, Colorado Springs, Omaha, Dallas, San Diego and an Jose - All others are city proper
That's the only way COS could have a median salary above Denver's.
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Old 03-26-2015, 10:59 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Does the list seem accurate or just about right?
No. Some of these Washington Post articles can be strangely out-of-whack.

You're not going to have a middle-class lifestyle in the Washington DC metro area on $71,000. Unless somebody thinks that a family living in an apartment is middle class.
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Old 03-26-2015, 01:30 PM
 
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A few years ago the NY Times said official middle class salary in NYC is 75K. That, at least to me, makes sense. Not 57K.

However, in LA (cheaper rent, food, utilities, etc) I would wager middle class is 45K-60K. The median income in some parts of Hollywood is around 30K. So if you live in those areas on a higher salary, you might have a savings account!
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Old 03-26-2015, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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A few years ago the NY Times said official middle class salary in NYC is 75K. That, at least to me, makes sense. Not 57K.

However, in LA (cheaper rent, food, utilities, etc) I would wager middle class is 45K-60K.The median income in some parts of Hollywood is around 30K. So if you live in those areas on a higher salary, you might have a savings account!
Yeah except not really - we make six figures (though student loans take out a huge chunk, but leave us over 60k) and Pasadena is one of the only "nice" inner suburbs or core areas of Los Angeles that we can afford (besides the Valley which is impractical for wife's commute).

I think a lot of those people that are making so little are either sharing apartments or have been on rent control for quite some time. Or they are spending almost their entire salary on rent (which is very possible.) Studies usually show that Los Angeles is the most unaffordable metro when it comes to salaries vs. rent. Obviously SF + NYC are a lot more expensive but it seems salaries are a little higher on average in those metro areas.

But I do consider our family to be middle class, even upper middle class. In Los Angeles that usually means you are still an apartment-dweller though.
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