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View Poll Results: Georgia, more in common with Alabama or North Carolina?
Alabama 141 62.67%
North Carolina 84 37.33%
Voters: 225. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-02-2015, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Why wouldn't politics matter? If you look at any other thread, people will be quick to jump and say "liberal" when comparing a place to, say, New York or Massachusetts. Why would it have so little significance here?

And honestly, what is going to be a more material difference in the lives of the average person: (a) the demographics and/or overall political ideology of a state or (b) the fact that two states have state flagship schools in the same conference? Some differences and similarities are more important than others.
Yes and you keep ignoring other similarities with NC Its other flagship school GA Tech(which ranks higher) is in the same conference as NC's highest ranking school which is Duke .AL has no school in the ACC
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Old 04-02-2015, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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That's not exactly helping your case. Besides, asking someone if they are "conservative" or "liberal" doesn't tell you much about their ideology. A "liberal" living in inner city Boston is not the same as a "liberal" living in rural Georgia. The ANES is a good gauge because it drills down into specific issues.
So only your polls are worth taking note of but othes polls are not goood?lol
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Old 04-02-2015, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Hw is that so?There was no strong comparison to Civil Rights between GA and AL ade.
Why is that some people consider lynchings and civil rights to be independent things? Lynchings were the impetus of many civil rights bills. The Civil Rights Movement wasn't limited to three or four events in the 1960s.

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In 1946, a mob of white men shot and killed two young African-American couples near Moore's Ford Bridge in Walton County, Georgia 60 miles east of Atlanta. This lynching of four young sharecroppers, one a World War II veteran, shocked the nation. The attack was a key factor in President Harry S. Truman's making civil rights a priority of his administration. Although the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) investigated the crime, they were unable to prosecute. It was the last documented lynching of so many people in one incident.
Lynching in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't miss the forest for the tree.
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Old 04-02-2015, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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So only your polls are worth taking note of but othes polls are not goood?lol
The ANES seeks to gauge political ideology, so yes, it is better. I can call myself a "conservative" but yet be supportive of same sex marriage, gun control laws, affirmative action, etc. A label doesn't mean anything since "conservatives" and "liberals" don't share the same ideology across states.
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Old 04-02-2015, 02:20 PM
 
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Georgia is still one of the most conservative states in the Union despite the transplants, the Blacks, the Hispanics, etc. There are so many conservatives there that they easily overwhelm the non-Hispanic White liberal/moderate and minority vote. That's largely because Georgia is rabidly Republican and conservative outside of its urban areas and to a greater degree than you probably realize.


once again, you not stating reality is Georgia not even solid red state

Sweet Georgia Blue: Why Democrats Should Be Bullish on the Peach State*|*Zac McCrary

A Blue Georgia Might Happen Much Sooner Than You Think | ThinkProgress

Georgia will be the next purple state

The Next Swing States: Arizona, Georgia, and Texas - US News

SaportaReport | Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed: Georgia will be a blue state in 2016


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1. This failed in so many ways first off your ignoring Georgia is nearly a swing state, Obama barely lost both times, as oppose to AL and MS where he lost both times by a was larger margin. While Obama barely won NC once, and he lost the other, why? because NC overall is not liberal state, it moderate leaning red state.

2. The next thing your going wrong is equating not supporting Obama equal racism. It's funny you brought up transplants because one of the most conservative poster in the Atlanta forums is from Boston. North is more liberal dominate by north does has conservatives as the south has liberals. A transplant can be liberal or conservative.

Georgia is projected to become a swing state
Why Georgia May Be Bluer Than It Appears

3. Your basically ignoring the minority population, like blacks, asians, Hispanic has no voice in the culture of the state. White non Hispanics only make 54.8 of Georgia. So I guess your ignoring 45.2% of the state I guess they don't exist. Hispanic 9.2 is not only larger than MS 1.1, AL 2%... but larger but comparable to NC 8.9% comparable. GA hispanic population is higher than all Midwestern states. Georgia has one of the growing Asian and latino population growth. But guess non of that matter because you only care to extame the non Hispanic white vote as if non Hispanic white if solo factor determining the state culture and the 45% Minority population doesn't exist.

81% of GA growth is minority
Is most of Georgia's population growth from minorities? | PolitiFact Georgia

Blacks, Hispanics lead metro population growth | www.ajc.com

Nevada, Arizona, North Carolina, North Dakota and Georgia represented the top five states with the most growth. "Asian population growth"
U.S. Census Show Asians Are Fastest Growing Racial Group : The Two-Way : NPR

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Fact: non-Hispanic whites only make 54% of Georgia, Believe it or not Minorities exist! The whole population determined the culture of the state. And GA is a Diverse state. So I'm fascinated how you're analyzing the non white population alone like minorities don't matter.
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So I figured out why white percentage of voters was much higher in NC.
NC ranked 11th in voter turnout.
GA ranked #36 ,below Alabama as one of the worst states in voter turnout.

..GA had roughly 3.8million votes versus 4.4million voters in NC..
That means more the HALF of the voters in GA voted than NC.
The states with the highest and lowest turnout in 2012, in 2 charts - The Washington Post

The white voter turout was higher in NC than blacks but in GA Black vote surpased the whote vote which was one of the few states where that happened.
Black voter turnout exceeds white voter turnout, even in states with strict ID laws, pundit claims | PunditFact

Anyway here is the white support for Obama in 2008.
GA-23%
AL-10%
NC-35%
Basically its about in between both states so its silly to use this as some kinda "AH-HA!!



BAM!!!!Now what?


So like Chitadl said;wite voters coe from the North and all over.They are also conservatives that move to GA to escape liberal areas.Makes sense that there are lesss Southern Born whites in GA as is in FL,and TX

One other thing is that 55% of residents are native born in Georgia.NC its 58.5% and AL its 70%,Before you say thats all Atlanta,remember GA has several large military installations.Even more than N.C.
https://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/acsbr10-07.pdf

Also look at the foreign born population in each state.
Not including counties in the Atlanta metro the county with the highest percentage of foreign born in GA is Whitield County #2(after Gwinnett in Atlanta)@18.6%
Then #3 Echols ranked 3rd@17.7%
Compare with Durham #1 in NC @13.9%

Out of the top 20 counties in Georgia in fregn born population ,7 counties(8 if you count Clarke County where Atlens is) are all over GA and NOT Atlanta.

As I mentioned before ,Whitfeld County is where the flooring industry is.It is are more Hispanics here than blacks.
Then in the other counties you have the military bases which also have higher percentages of foreign born.

The other counties have one other thing I forgot to mention is that Alabama has no dominant industries.GA does in flooring and textiles as I mention and also Chicken Procesing.It leads the nation.
GA also produces Peanuts.


So many immigrants are in these communities with these large plants in rural areas far away from Atlanta.
Changing the fabric of the community.

Alabama?Well the county at number one is 7.9%(Franklin).No where near even Birmingham and far less than the top counties in GA.
It ALMOST leads in one industry according to its website:

I was in Dalton(Whitfield County) last weekend and am always amazed how Southern it is but has mixed couples EVERYWHERE.Hispanics have been there for a couple of decades now and everywhere I went it was an Hispanic person who obviously had been there for years assimilating into life down to the accents.

Much different that when I first went up there with college buddies in the mid nineties who were from there.The Hispanic them seem like they were alot but they were just in the plants and not managers at stores,salesmen,cashiers,mailmen,etc like they are now.

Anyway Im tired and some of this I know could be be written better but you got the jis,and this should really be all over until you can give more evidence against ALL that I and others have given with rebuttals for what some of yall's so called proof..
This..... it's like Dude is trying to ignore reality.


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The problem with threads similar to these are the lack of knowledge about cities outside metro Atlanta.
The second and third largest metros in Georgia versus the most populated in Alabama. I used the largest county and the two largest suburban counties in each metro. This is the 2012 presidential election results.
President Map - Election 2012 - NYTimes.com


Obama
Richmond-Augusta 66.5%
Chatham-Savannah 55.5%
Jefferson-Birmingham 52.6%
Aiken-Augusta 36.3%
Columbia-Augusta 27.9%
Bryan-Savannah 27.6%
Effingham-Savannah 23.8%
Shelby-Birmingham 21.6%
St. Clair-Birmingham 16.5%


Romney
St Clair-Birmingham 82.6%
Shelby-Birmingham 77.3%
Effingham-Savannah 75%
Bryan-Savannah 71.2%
Columbia-Augusta 70.9%
Aiken-Augusta 62.3%
Jefferson-Birmingham 46.6%
Chatham-Savannah 43.5%
Richmond-Augusta 32.7%
Also this....
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Old 04-02-2015, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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This..... it's like Dude is trying to ignore reality.
I already told you what the reality is. Georgia is a polarized state. Atlanta is a big city but it doesn't matter because the number of votes in the conservative areas of the state outnumber the votes everywhere else. That's how Republicans keep winning after all: they get more votes. And the rural areas skew more red than they do in neighboring South Carolina. That's how Georgia ends up with a non-Hispanic White vote that's more conservative than South Carolina's even though one would think the opposite given demographic trends.
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Old 04-02-2015, 02:41 PM
 
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Hw is that so?There was no strong comparison to Civil Rights between GA and AL ade.
Both states were pivotal during the Civil Rights history. Many of the big events happened in AL, but much of the strategizing and laying of the groundwork happened in GA.

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What similar histories of the cities in GA were mentioned that did not also have similaries with cities in NC?
I was specifically talking about Atlanta and Birmingham. Very similar histories (pre-Civil Rights era) in similar geographic locations, and of course they were peer cities up until around 1950 or so.
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Old 04-02-2015, 02:46 PM
 
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You missed the point. If we're talking about "Georgia outside of metro Atlanta," then there has got to be a lot of Georgia that is very similar to Alabama politically for the non-Hispanic White vote to be more Republican than it is in South Carolina. Either Whites vote more uniformly across the state including metro Atlanta (unlikely) or the White vote outside of Atlanta is so heavily Republican that it skews the overall White vote to the right. Which one is it? I'm fairly confident that metro Atlanta is more liberal than Greenville-Spartanburg.



You should be surprised that it was more conservative than Alabama in any respect during any year.
This is errors on top of error.......

Your saying outside Atlanta as if Atlanta isn't 60% of state population.

Your also your only trying to analyze the non Hispanic white population which is only 54% like the non Hispanic white population determines the state culture red or blue, as if Minorities don't exist or don't count. The reality is GA is one of most diverse states, It's a lot more diverse than AL.

your arrived at you conclusion by ducting most the state.

Out of Atlanta is 40% of GA, you just counting the non Hispanic white population 54%. The non Hispanic white outside of Atlanta is only 22% of the state.


"Fact: non-Hispanic whites only make 54% of Georgia, Believe it or not Minorities exist! The whole population determined the culture of the state. And GA is a Diverse state. So I'm fascinated how you're analyzing the non white population alone like minorities don't matter."
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Old 04-02-2015, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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This is errors on top of error.......

Your saying outside Atlanta as if Atlanta isn't 60% of state population.
You're not following me.

Yes, Atlanta is big. But if the state continues to vote Red, and the non-Hispanic White vote continues to be more Republican than it is in SC (a conservative state), then that can only mean that the vote elsewhere is WAY skewed to the right.

It's no different from the African American vote in most states. Obama lost the White vote in many of the states he won, but it didn't matter since the White vote splits 47-53 or 40-60. He can compensate for the difference by banking 97 or 98 out of every 100 Black voters. In Georgia, it's similar, but reversed. The White vote in metro Atlanta is likely more split, but the white vote in the rest of the state is so overwhelmingly Republican that it cancels everything else out.

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Your also your only trying to analyze the non Hispanic white population which is only 54% like the non Hispanic white population determines the state culture red or blue, as if Minorities don't exist or don't count. The reality is GA is one of most diverse states, It's a lot more diverse than AL.
The White vote matters because: (1) Whites still make up the largest portion of the electorate; (2) Whites are far more likely to be Republican; (3) Republicans in Georgia are more conservative than they are in most states and (4) Republicans are more likely to win statewide office in Georgia. When Republicans win in Georgia, it's not quite the same as when Republicans win in New Jersey or Massachusetts.
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Old 04-02-2015, 03:20 PM
 
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I already told you what the reality is. Georgia is a polarized state. Atlanta is a big city but it doesn't matter because the number of votes in the conservative areas of the state outnumber the votes everywhere else. That's how Republicans keep winning after all: they get more votes. And the rural areas skew more red than they do in neighboring South Carolina. That's how Georgia ends up with a non-Hispanic White vote that's more conservative than South Carolina's even though one would think the opposite given demographic trends.
No Dude I told you reality.

NC 2008...... Dem 49.70%, GOP 49.38%
NC 2012........GOP 50.39% Dem 48.35%

GA 2008........ GOP 52.10% Dem 46.90%
GA, 2012......... GOP 53.30%, Dem 45.48%


AL 2012..... GOP 60.55% Dem 38.36%
Al 2008 ...... GOP 60.32%, Dem 38.74%


Stop saying Georgia,........... because your not analyzing GA or even most it. Georgia population and culture is the state as whole not just the non-Hispanic White vote. The non-Hispanic White population in GA is 54%.... States have different diversities you so can't compare the non Hispanic white votes in different states to represent the state culture. Overall AL and GA turn out very different their reasons for that. GA is more diverse.

This chart highlight states that kids population are minority majority.
Some States Already Have ‘Majority Minority’ of Kids - Real Time Economics - WSJ

The non-Hispanic White vote is just part of the equation, you can't ignore the fact GA is more diverse then SC and AL. Your ignoring the minority population like the minorities population doesn't matter. Regardless of the non Hispanic white being largely republican the state still turn out moderate. The word of the day is call "diversity" GA is more diverse than AL they are not the same politically which is why GA factually turn out moderate but not AL.

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