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View Poll Results: By 2025-2030, your selection of where you think will be the 6th largest in the United States?
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, FL Metropolitan Statistical Area 26 16.77%
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metropolitan Statistical Area 79 50.97%
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, GA Metropolitan Statistical Area 40 25.81%
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD Metropolitan Statistical Area 10 6.45%
Voters: 155. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-07-2015, 05:06 PM
 
Location: The City
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DC is a very important city economically. What Is the World's Most Economically Powerful City? DC was rated in the top 15 of the world's most economically powerful cities. Atlanta doesn't even make the list. Important to note that it says economically important, not politically important, so the list is taking into account economic output. Government jobs provide jobs, but they don't really provide economic output
actually they do produce many things that have economic output

but would agree DC has a stronger economic output. The question was on economic diversity not output etc. not disputing that The govt funds and creates a ton of economic output. Lockheed sure produces a ton of output funded by the govt etc. Health services contracts with the NSA etc all produce economic output

DC is absolutely a bigger economy than Atlanta, just most indices would suggest not as diverse which is what I responded to

I think DC will be bigger than Atlanta in this timeframe and likely has or will this year take over the 6th spot on the MSA level according to the census
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Old 04-07-2015, 06:21 PM
 
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Atlanta has a much more diverse economy while DC is pretty much government jobs...

Guess the laugh is on you now.
A diverse economy is not the deciding factor if a city is not business oriented, those are two very different things.

The laugh is on you because your statement was false and had no logical purpose lol. Still laughing.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Closer than you think!
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A diverse economy is not the deciding factor if a city is not business oriented, those are two very different things.

The laugh is on you because your statement was false and had no logical purpose lol. Still laughing.

When Atlanta started booming in the 90s, metro Atlanta had 3 million people, while metro DC had 4.1 million people. The current estimates have the metros 420,000 people which indicates Atlanta has closed the gap.

What's the reason for that if it's not the diverse economy? I'm pretty sure the number 1 reason people move from city to city is due to jobs. People also move to Atlanta for more than just government jobs...Can't really say the same about DC.

I'll wait for "your" reason...LOL if you can actually find one.

http://www.census.gov/population/cen...t29/tab03a.pdf
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Old 04-08-2015, 08:54 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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When Atlanta started booming in the 90s, metro Atlanta had 3 million people, while metro DC had 4.1 million people. The current estimates have the metros 420,000 people which indicates Atlanta has closed the gap.

What's the reason for that if it's not the diverse economy? I'm pretty sure the number 1 reason people move from city to city is due to jobs. People also move to Atlanta for more than just government jobs...Can't really say the same about DC.

I'll wait for "your" reason...LOL if you can actually find one.

http://www.census.gov/population/cen...t29/tab03a.pdf
I think people move to city for jobs, government or not, and DC does have a lot of private sector jobs. DC actually has a larger number of Fortune 500 headquarters than Atlanta does and those are all private sector. I'm also still confused on the government job thing--public sector and working for not-for-profits/non-profits still spans a lot of different fields just the as the private, commercial sector spans a lot of different fields. And yea, places go through boom years. DC had its fairly recently which is why DC has both the larger absolute and relative percentage increase in MSA population among the four for the 2010 census to 2014 estimate (the most recent numbers).

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Old 04-08-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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Recent Job growth numbers suggest Atlanta will be growing a lot faster then D.C. will in the coming few years.

From Feb 2014-Feb 2015, Atlanta gained 111k jobs and a 4.6% increase. D.C. gained 52k for a 1.7% increase. As you said, people move to area for jobs. Atlanta gained over double the jobs gained and nearly 3x the percentage growth while being a smaller metropolitan area. This suggest Atlanta is about to have a population boom and will grow much faster than Washington D.C.

Source: Table 3. Employees on nonfarm payrolls by state and metropolitan area
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Old 04-08-2015, 09:29 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Recent Job growth numbers suggest Atlanta will be growing a lot faster then D.C. will in the coming few years.

From Feb 2014-Feb 2015, Atlanta gained 111k jobs and a 4.6% increase. D.C. gained 52k for a 1.7% increase. As you said, people move to area for jobs. Atlanta gained over double the jobs gained and nearly 3x the percentage growth while being a smaller metropolitan area. This suggest Atlanta is about to have a population boom and will grow much faster than Washington D.C.

Source: Table 3. Employees on nonfarm payrolls by state and metropolitan area
Possibly. That should probably be tempered with the higher unemployment rate that Atlanta has had, so I'm not sure if that's so much there being a booming market drawing more people in or if it's more that things are normalizing to a decent unemployment rate after a bad run.

There is another decade to go which is about enough time to start or end these cycles. DC area has a 400K population lead currently, so if Atlanta grows at a significantly faster clip than DC does for the next decade, then yea. However, to me, DC still seems like the most likely candidate.
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Old 04-08-2015, 10:33 AM
 
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Well, Atlanta itself had an increase in it's population growth while many metro areas had a decrease in their population growth, D.C. included. That was before Atlanta began booming in job growth which suggests that Atlanta should have 100k+ population growth for next year's estimates. DC will probably be no more than 60k.

That's the difference between DC and Atlanta. When DC booms,it sees about 80k job growth in a year and about 80k-90k population increase in a year. When Atlanta booms, it sees an average of 110k-120k+ job growth a year and over 110k population increase in a year.

All the country is doing is going back to the 2000-2006 era. Atlanta averaged 160k-200k a year in population growth during that time.
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Old 04-08-2015, 12:16 PM
 
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Well, Atlanta itself had an increase in it's population growth while many metro areas had a decrease in their population growth, D.C. included. That was before Atlanta began booming in job growth which suggests that Atlanta should have 100k+ population growth for next year's estimates. DC will probably be no more than 60k.

That's the difference between DC and Atlanta. When DC booms,it sees about 80k job growth in a year and about 80k-90k population increase in a year. When Atlanta booms, it sees an average of 110k-120k+ job growth a year and over 110k population increase in a year.

All the country is doing is going back to the 2000-2006 era. Atlanta averaged 160k-200k a year in population growth during that time.
Sure, I can see that. The 400K difference right now isn't huge for a ten to fifteen year timeframe (so there has to be a difference of population increase of 40,000 more people for Atlanta than DC annually on average over a ten year time frame or 27,000 more for a fifteen year time frame), so it's possible. I don't think the current year's trend will necessarily hold for that long, so my bet's still on DC which has the public sector that is generally more resilient to slumps (Atlanta may have larger booms, but the corollary is that busts also seem to be worse) while still having a large and growing private sector.
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Old 04-08-2015, 03:37 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Well, Atlanta itself had an increase in it's population growth while many metro areas had a decrease in their population growth, D.C. included. That was before Atlanta began booming in job growth which suggests that Atlanta should have 100k+ population growth for next year's estimates. DC will probably be no more than 60k.

That's the difference between DC and Atlanta. When DC booms,it sees about 80k job growth in a year and about 80k-90k population increase in a year. When Atlanta booms, it sees an average of 110k-120k+ job growth a year and over 110k population increase in a year.

All the country is doing is going back to the 2000-2006 era. Atlanta averaged 160k-200k a year in population growth during that time.
None of what you just said do I see reflected in those numbers:

- Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metropolitan Statistical Area:
2010-2011: + 141,489
2011-2012: + 95,759
2012-2013: + 93,696
2013-2014: + 66,561




- Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, GA Metropolitan Statistical Area:
2010-2011: + 88,097
2011-2012: + 81,647
2012-2013: + 68,960
2013-2014: + 88,891

DC's (population) growth has outpaced Atlanta this decade with the exception of 2013-2014. Which means your taking a one year extrapolation and applying it to the growth of the two cities for the next 10-15 years. Job growth did slow some for the past year or so in DC but that was due to the enormous amount added the couple of years prior. You simply cannot assume DC to add that same amount of jobs annually over the course of 15 years. Not accurate, you seem very misinformed. Population growth is still healthy and will improve more towards the end of the decade.

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Old 04-08-2015, 04:35 PM
 
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None of what you just said do I see reflected in those numbers:

- Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metropolitan Statistical Area:
2010-2011: + 141,489
2011-2012: + 95,759
2012-2013: + 93,696
2013-2014: + 66,561




- Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, GA Metropolitan Statistical Area:
2010-2011: + 88,097
2011-2012: + 81,647
2012-2013: + 68,960
2013-2014: + 88,891

DC's (population) growth has outpaced Atlanta this decade with the exception of 2013-2014. Which means your taking a one year extrapolation and applying it to the growth of the two cities for the next 10-15 years. Job growth did slow some for the past year or so in DC but that was due to the enormous amount added the couple of years prior. You simply cannot assume DC to add that same amount of jobs annually over the course of 15 years. Not accurate, you seem very misinformed. Population growth is still healthy and will improve more towards the end of the decade.
Again, all of these years was when Atlanta had mediocre job growth because of the recession. These weren't when Atlanta was having 100k+ job growth years. Go back and check the records.

I think people are going to be shocked by just how much Atlanta grows over the next 5 years or so. I won't be surprised to see a 130k year.

You can see it yourself. Look at the massive drop in population growth DC just experience and Job growth is still pretty mediocre atm(1.7% is average to me). That's almost as low as Chicago's.

And as far as booms and busts. This past recession was extremely rare and unique. Atlanta is generally one of the first cities to recover from recession(an example being the early 2000s recession), but the recession really hurt the industries that matter most in the Atlanta area so Atlanta took a beating.

DC had the luxury of a quickly expanding government sector during the early Obama years so it withstood the recession well, but you can clearly see that's no longer the case. In 4 years, it went down from 141k to just barely 66k. That's a large drop for 4 years.

I'll take back what I said about the "DC booms are 80k-90k" since you provided information that it had a 141k growth year, but all it shows me is that DC can quickly go from extremely high growth to average in a short amount of time depending on how fast the government is expanding.
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