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View Poll Results: By 2025-2030, your selection of where you think will be the 10th largest in the United States?
Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area 38 51.35%
San Francisco–Oakland–Hayward, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area 22 29.73%
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area 4 5.41%
Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH Metropolitan Statistical Area 8 10.81%
Detroit-Warren-Dearborn, MI Metropolitan Statistical Area 2 2.70%
Voters: 74. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-29-2016, 04:56 PM
 
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It really seems like the 2015 estimated have made people believe Phoenix to have the edge over the Bay. If I remember my math from last night correctly, the Bay will be bigger if the two grow the next five years the same as the past five years in absolute terms but Phoenix will be bigger if growth rates for the two are the same as they were the past five years.
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Old 03-30-2016, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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I'd place the Worcester MSA as a very likely addition as well, possibly before Manchester - by the way, there are actually two separate commuter rail lines (Worcester line and Fitchburg line) that connect Worcester's metropolitan area to Boston's.
This is very true.

Eventually areas like Worcester, Providence, Manchester, and the like will serve as further flung nodes of the Greater Boston region as a whole. I think this is good for the area in general, it needs more binding culturally speaking, in my personal opinion. A more conformed and general "regional identity" within the CSA. It is important because a lot of these areas will go from the CSA and be absorbed into the MSA over time. Starting right in 2023 and moving forward.

By the way, any plans for regional infrastructure projects and/or expansions from Boston MSA to areas in its CSA? I think the region should start moving in that direction.
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Old 03-30-2016, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Well, I'm not living in the region right now, and not too up to date on things - but from what I've read, there has been a commuter rail line proposed going south to New Bedford, Massachusetts (part of the Providence MSA - it would be the second line to the metro area, as there is one that goes through Attleboro, MA to Providence), but I think it's still in the discussion phase. Going the opposite direction to Boston's north, there has been talk of a rail line extension from Lowell, Massachusetts up through Manchester and Concord, but it'll depend on investments by the state of New Hampshire, which tends to be fiscally tight, so who knows if that will ever happen.

To the west, improvements are being made on the Worcester rail line to accommodate "express" trains. Otherwise, there seem to be some general infrastructure investments being made by the state towards these so-called "gateway cities", such as Worcester and New Bedford. From my readings, Worcester seems among the best-positioned, because aside from state investments in their infrastructure, it has decent tech and educational resources (a bit of a college town, with UMass Medical and Worcester Polytech), and the private sector seems to be recognizing this and making some investments as well. I can see that progress potentially leading to a deeper synergy with Boston.

Regarding your statement "it needs more binding culturally speaking", I'm not sure if I agree. I think it's what makes the region interesting, that each of these places have their own sort of unique identity and history. With that said, all of these metros/cities already lean heavily on Boston economically, so it's not as though they're really that separate anyway.

By the way, forgive my ignorance - what happens in 2023? Is that the year the metropolitan areas are reorganized (if that's the right word)?
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Old 04-07-2017, 05:44 PM
 
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It is starting to tighten for 10th, these are the new 2016 census estimates:

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Old Yesterday, 07:43 PM
 
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Looks like it will be Phoenix by next year.

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Old Yesterday, 09:07 PM
 
Location: orl2bos2upstateny
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Wow. San Franc is really losing momentum. Only 25k residents a year since 2016. It was at 65k not too long ago.
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Old Yesterday, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Wow. San Franc is really losing momentum.
I hope so.
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Old Yesterday, 09:50 PM
 
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The Inland Empire. Assuming it doesn't rejoin the L.A metro.
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Old Yesterday, 10:32 PM
 
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The Inland Empire. Assuming it doesn't rejoin the L.A metro.
That's kind of what's happening up north. If SF adds Stockton, which is likely in the next 10 years, then that lifts the SF MSA to 5.8 Million or so now.
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Old Today, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Portland, Maine
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Something interesting for the Boston MSA is that Suffolk county which is 58 square miles and contains Boston, Chelsea, Revere, and Winthrop has accounted for 26% of the growth seen in the Boston MSA while containing only 16% of the population. If the rest of the Boston MSA started building more housing even if it only occurred in the denser more urban communities where it is more likely I think Boston would see huge increases in population compared to what it is seeing now. Unfortunately this is unlikely and could lead to prices in Boston starting to reach similar levels to SF eventually.

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