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View Poll Results: Richmond VA vs. New Orleans LA?
Richmond 53 52.48%
New Orleans 39 38.61%
Neither 9 8.91%
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Old 04-12-2015, 09:05 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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For example, come to Louisiana, especially South Louisiana and you'll get a lot of lagniappe (Lan Yap). French for extra. I can't tell you how much lagniappe (free stuff) I've gotten without asking for it in New Orleans. It's just different.
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Old 04-13-2015, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Ah, the subject of many a debate...

I've debated people in real life and online as far as comparing Richmond and Baltimore;There are clearly some obvious differences between Richmond and Baltimore, but they are alike in some ways. With Richmond, you'll have much more natural beauty, and the architecture is 1000 times better than Baltimore. All Baltimore is, is rowhomes: ugly ones, pretty ones, wide ones slim ones--and there are plenty of ugly ones. But there is really no diversity of architecture there....

Well that's where I would have to stop you. The diversity in Baltimore's architecture rival cities across the nation and natural beauty is based on opinion but that is a subject Baltimore can hold its own in. A lot of visitors think that the whole city is just rowhomes but outside of the inner city which are the closets neighborhoods to downtown rowhomes don't exist in North, Northeast, Southeast, and Northwest Baltimore. You should've explored more you can see some of that diversity here>> Starts at post #74 with pictures where is the wealth in Baltimore? ---and that doesn't even include some of the beautiful stock of rowhomes found throughout the city that can be found here>>>Philly Vs Baltimore RowHomes (Picture Thread)

Baltimore also gives you the feeling that it hasnt caught up to the 21st century. There are some terrible roads up there, and they just refuse to revitalize to the same extent that Richmond has.

Yes roads and the cities infrastructure here are really old some pipes over 150years. So yes they are bad as far as revitalization I think they have and continue to do a good job of repairing the inner harbor, harbor east, harbor point and surrounding neighborhoods "as one of the supreme achievements of large-scale urban design and development in U.S. history"-American Institute of Architects if only it could spread to others as well.

But Baltimore is not wholly progressive, and compared to other cities in its class (Charlotte, Portland, etc) it is falling further behind every year. I would say its actually making progress by attracting millennials and increasing its population for the first time in 2012 after 60 years of population loss since the 1950 census. Baltimore is a large city that doesnt feel as large, because it just doesnt have the same energy as cities its size, and is really not comparable to DC in most areas. One poster pointed out that Baltimore was larger than DC until '13---yeah, in city population. But Metro Washington has, for all intents and purposes, been larger in population and cast a larger cultural and economic shadow than Baltimore for at least the 80s...

As far as energy and entertainment Baltimore's has everything any other city has and some things cities don't have such as major league teams, vibrant waterfront, prestigious universities, huge events, bar towns, port, concerts, passenger cruise ships, broadway plays, casino, attractions so I don't know what that was supposed to mean. DC metro square millage is (5,564.6 sq mi) more than 2 times the size of Baltimore's and include 3 states WV,VA, MD. So those numbers aren't really comparable as Baltimore's metro only include central Maryland and rural Kent County from the eastern shore.

In Richmond, you'll absolutely get the impression of a city on the rise, and a city that "feels" larger than its listed population numbers. This feeling is a direct contrast to Baltimore. Baltimore is a historic city as well and a good visit, but once you leave the Harbor area/Johns Hopkins area, that city is a washout. There arent too many good areas.

Baltimore is not stagnant it is improving and gentrifying. Richmond is small and feels really small to me personally and is the smallest in the region. That's just what it is. Most people only think that once they go one or two block out of downtown they have seen the whole city and its over 250 neighborhoods. So they believe that the few worse parts are a foreshadow of the whole area but the majority of good areas are definitely larger than the bad. Most people never experience most of the good areas because you need a car to get to them as public transit do not go through these neighborhoods.
I don't like to point fingers because it can get ugly but some of your points are flawed.

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Old 04-13-2015, 08:09 AM
 
Location: California x North Carolina (soon)...
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I don't like to point fingers because it can get ugly but some of your points are flawed.
It goes without saying that Baltimore has some wealthy neighborhoods, and as such has different architecture to match. I was being facetious, but don't even try to act as if the rowhome stock in Baltimore doesn't outnumber other forms of residential architecture. And sure, there are some pretty ones, some pretty neighborhoods. I've been to Baltimore plenty of times, so you're not telling me anything new, and at any rate that isn't the point...

You're lying to say Baltimore has as much going on as any other city. Either its that, or you justb haven't traveled much. Charlotte and Baltimore are two cities I'm fairly familiar with, they are in the same general class of cities, and Charlotte blows you all out of the water. Where we agree is that the areas surrounding the Harbor are great. And you may be able to name specific neighborhoods that are gems; you should be, as you're from Baltimore. That still doesn't change the fact that Baltimore has more urban blight than anywhere on the East Coast, has some of the largest income disparity on the East Coast, is extremely segregated, has a reputation for some of the worst racism on the East Coast large cities, incompetent city government, an overworked and undermanned police department, is not a very diverse city in terms of people, architecture, food, etc, and to clarify that statement, this is in comparison to other cities of its size.

Sure, Richmond is small. I get it. And Baltimore seriously lacks for a city of its size, and feels especially small compared to The City. The problem with Baltimoreans is that you all see yourselves as Philadelphia-lite without offering the quality of life and cultural amenities one can find in Philadelphia. Be Baltimore!

And one thing that isn't debatable is that Richmond has and is gentrifying at a faster pace, it is growing faster than Baltimore, and like Baltimore, is the predominant city in its state. Some of my points may be flawed, because some of them are opinion. But some of them are fact, and you can dress it however you want to, but you're not talking to someone unfamiliar with Baltimore, so your threats of "getting ugly" are inconsequential....
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Old 04-13-2015, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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It goes without saying that Baltimore has some wealthy neighborhoods, and as such has different architecture to match. I was being facetious, but don't even try to act as if the rowhome stock in Baltimore doesn't outnumber other forms of residential architecture. And sure, there are some pretty ones, some pretty neighborhoods. I've been to Baltimore plenty of times, so you're not telling me anything new, and at any rate that isn't the point...

You're lying to say Baltimore has as much going on as any other city. Either its that, or you justb haven't traveled much. Charlotte and Baltimore are two cities I'm fairly familiar with, they are in the same general class of cities, and Charlotte blows you all out of the water. Where we agree is that the areas surrounding the Harbor are great. And you may be able to name specific neighborhoods that are gems; you should be, as you're from Baltimore. That still doesn't change the fact that Baltimore has more urban blight than anywhere on the East Coast, has some of the largest income disparity on the East Coast, is extremely segregated, has a reputation for some of the worst racism on the East Coast large cities, incompetent city government, an overworked and undermanned police department, is not a very diverse city in terms of people, architecture, food, etc, and to clarify that statement, this is in comparison to other cities of its size.

Sure, Richmond is small. I get it. And Baltimore seriously lacks for a city of its size, and feels especially small compared to The City. The problem with Baltimoreans is that you all see yourselves as Philadelphia-lite without offering the quality of life and cultural amenities one can find in Philadelphia. Be Baltimore! Again your opinion and comparing Baltimore to other cities again this time not Charlotte but now Philadelphia. I'm not even going to go there.

And one thing that isn't debatable is that Richmond has and is gentrifying at a faster pace, it is growing faster than Baltimore, and like Baltimore, is the predominant city in its state. Some of my points may be flawed, because some of them are opinion. But some of them are fact, and you can dress it however you want to, but you're not talking to someone unfamiliar with Baltimore, so your threats of "getting ugly" are inconsequential....
No one is acting or ever written that "there is not a large stock of rowhomes in the city" you just assumed I am implying that. The point is where you wrote that "All Baltimore is, is rowhomes" as our only means of residential architecture I had to prove not to you that was not true because you probably know that even if you were being facetious or not. But to people reading on here that don't know a thing about Baltimore who are inclined to believe what sounds logical but is not really fact. Your right I might not be "telling you anything new," which is not the point because you seem very hardheaded. But you continue to say that architecture in the city is not diverse even after I've already provided the sources and pictures etc. Just about every era in Baltimore's history is represented in its architecture from Gorgonian, Greek Revival, Colonial, Victorian, English Tudor etc. I am an architecture major so I don't even know why I am having this argument really. As far as diversity in food really what do you think we're just eating MD crabs and Old Bay every day. Urban blight is everywhere even in Richmond the thing is urban blight is not the majority of Baltimore City as proven in my earlier post if you actually clicked the links. Extremely segregated is such a broad term. As far as living quarters yes there are predominately black, white neighborhoods but outside of that we party at the same clubs, eat at the same restaurants, attend the same schools etc. Racism is also something I've never experienced in my years on this Earth. Stereotypes yes but not racism. However, I am well aware there are racist people everywhere. Only thing is the diversity in people here which I don't think is anything Richmond can shout about either. The most liberal, prosperous and diverse place in Virginia is the counties in DC's metro of Northern Virginia outside of that there's really nothing.

Your not going to get me to compare Baltimore to Charlotte because its irrelevant to this whole discussion. If you feel like Charlotte is better good for you it doesn't matter that's your opinion. All I can say is maybe you should move there. I've traveled all over the world as I am an architect. Again, I listed some of the things that are going on here in Baltimore I definitely didn't say it's NYC but those amenities that are in the same cities across the US are here to at a lower cost of living. Must I remind you are the one that said "Baltimore is a large city that doesnt feel as large, because it just doesnt have the same energy as cities its size." So you can't get mad because I listed what goes on in Baltimore.

The arguments that you have to bring up dirt on Baltimore just shows that you are insecure about Richmond and you're getting upset because your points are dissected and criticized and you feel threatened like I'm picking on you and have something against Richmond which I do not. I haven't brought up one lick of dirt about Richmond but you took it there. I wonder if you would feel different if my title said I was someone from Louisiana with no ties to Baltimore at all. I am not biased because I live here but it just goes to say if Richmond was so great and on the come up you wouldn't have to point fingers at DC or Baltimore to get a point across or feel good on a thread/poll versus New Orleans. Just Be Richmond! Your also talking to someone who is not unfamiliar with Richmond. That's not a valid source.

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Old 04-13-2015, 11:09 AM
 
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And yet for all the architecture you named, Richmond's is so much more diverse and aesthetically pleasing. Surely, everyone doesn't agree with that statement. But Richmond has been cited numerous times for its beautiful architecture on a national level, and you'd be hard pressed to find a reputable source that considers Baltimore a more beautiful or architecturally diverse city than Richmond. Since you have the architecture degree, maybe you should compare and contrast the bounty of styles in Richmond and Baltimore...

My comment on food was just to illustrate that Baltimore isn't a top-level city when it comes to international cuisine. Baltimore is very well-known in terms of its local flavor. Internationally, scaled to size, Baltimore doesn't offer food on a level any different than Richmond. This is silly, because this isn't a Baltimore/Richmond thread. My only basis for bringing up Baltimore was just to say while it IS a "big" city, it would be a far more large and prominent city without DC nearby. This is something Baltimore and Richmond have in common; maybe I shouldn't have mentioned Baltimore. Otherwise, I only spoke on Baltimore from the standpoint of answering the other posters question of differences between Baltimore and Richmond---I didn't bring up that particular conversation. Plenty of people find Richmond to be a more interesting place than Baltimore. You don't have to agree with it. But in answering her question, I was providing why I think she would like Richmond over Baltimore....

You sound insecure because I'm not hailing Baltimore as an excellent, extravagant city. That's my opinion. You didn't list what Baltimore "has going on" in comparison to other cities. Anyone who's been to these other cities can't tell you where Baltimore is leading, and where it lags behind. You're completely outbid the loop if you think Baltimore matches other cities in its class in culture and quality of life. The energy in Baltimore isn't as frenzied or vibrant as in Charlotte. You don't have to debate it with me if you don't want. I've spent enough time in both cities to know for myself...

Again, I'm assuming that you're able to comprehend the direction of the conversation prior to your insecure insertion: I did not bring up Baltimore for anything other than to draw a similarity with Richmond. When Baltimore was brought up again, I gave my opinion that she MAY enjoy Richmond more, and gave MY reasons why. Doesn't mean she will, but she asked a question and I answered it. Isn't that the point of this site?

No one has to point to anywhere to tout how cool Richmond is. This thread was alive for 8 pages with just ONE mention of DC or Baltimore, and only to illustrate a counterpoint to why Richmond doesn't have New Orleans' name recognition. Why that made you feel so wimpy and to start whining about Baltimore says more about your ability to respect conversation and difference of opinion than your architecture major shows for the relatively small variance of architecture in Baltimore...

Lastly, do you see my title? I'm from Northern Virginia originally, I grew up partially amongst plenty of diversity, so I don't need your co-sign of Nova as the most diverse place in the Commonwealth. And while you may can't admit it, DC passed Baltimore in profile and importance since at least in the 80s; damn the city proper population stats. Baltimore is in DC's shadow, it is and has for a generation (at least!) felt smaller than DC, since you wanted to throw that "small" word around. And you know good and well Baltimore doesn't offer anywhere near the lifestyle that can be found there....

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Old 04-13-2015, 11:21 AM
 
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Lol Richmond boosters are a trip.
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Old 04-13-2015, 11:46 AM
 
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And yet for all the architecture you named, Richmond's is so much more diverse and aesthetically pleasing. Surely, everyone doesn't agree with that statement. But Richmond has been cited numerous times for its beautiful architecture on a national level, and you'd be hard pressed to find a reputable source that considers Baltimore a more beautiful or architecturally diverse city than Richmond. Since you have the architecture degree, maybe you should compare and contrast the bounty of styles in Richmond and Baltimore...

My comment on food was just to illustrate that Baltimore isn't a top-level city when it comes to international cuisine. Baltimore is very well-known in terms of its local flavor. Internationally, scaled to size, Baltimore doesn't offer food on a level any different than Richmond. This is silly, because this isn't a Baltimore/Richmond thread. My only basis for bringing up Baltimore was just to say while it IS a "big" city, it would be a far more large and prominent city without DC nearby. This is something Baltimore and Richmond have in common; maybe I shouldn't have mentioned Baltimore. Otherwise, I only spoke on Baltimore from the standpoint of answering the other posters question of differences between Baltimore and Richmond---I didn't bring up that particular conversation. Plenty of people find Richmond to be a more interesting place than Baltimore. You don't have to agree with it. But in answering her question, I was providing why I think she would like Richmond over Baltimore....

You sound insecure because I'm not hailing Baltimore as an excellent, extravagant city. That's my opinion. You didn't list what Baltimore "has going on" in comparison to other cities. Anyone who's been to these other cities can't tell you where Baltimore is leading, and where it lags behind. You're completely outbid the loop if you think Baltimore matches other cities in its class in culture and quality of life. The energy in Baltimore isn't as frenzied or vibrant as in Charlotte. You don't have to debate it with me if you don't want. I've spent enough time in both cities to know for myself...

Again, I'm assuming that you're able to comprehend the direction of the conversation prior to your insecure insertion: I did not bring up Baltimore for anything other than to draw a similarity with Richmond. When Baltimore was brought up again, I gave my opinion that she MAY enjoy Richmond more, and gave MY reasons why. Doesn't mean she will, but she asked a question and I answered it. Isn't that the point of this site?

No one has to point to anywhere to tout how cool Richmond is. This thread was alive for 8 pages with just ONE mention of DC or Baltimore, and only to illustrate a counterpoint to why Richmond doesn't have New Orleans' name recognition. Why that made you feel so wimpy and to start whining about Baltimore says more about your ability to respect conversation and difference of opinion than your architecture major shows for the relatively small variance of architecture in Baltimore...
You are a very opinionated person. I'm not doing any additional research just to prove your opinion. If you want to you should do it. What happened previously in this thread and your conversation with another poster I did not see I've only read page 8 onward. Only post of yours I seen was Richmond and Baltimore would be in a better place if not for DC. You took what I said way out of context which was simply why bring DC into the equation. My first post to you was really to say Baltimore and Richmond can stand on its own two feet without DC being mentioned in the same sentence. I joined because your points was your opinions and not facts. You are a booster for sure but that is ok. I am not whimpy at all as I said before I don't point fingers to feel good about anything. Reputable sources of architecture that make the list on some of the best in the country and world can be found in Baltimore as well. I'm not even going to discuss architecture anymore because its something I specialize in and that's to say I know Richmond has nice architecture and which is the better of the two. The whole food thing was just asinine to me. I've never written Baltimore is extravagant and I never written it was a total dump either as you try to make it out to be. I did say "its no NYC." Oh and yes I don't have a problem admitting DC is larger than Baltimore today in many subjects that's not an issue at all. So if that was intended to hurt it was a fail. I am happy as long as you feel good about yourself now that you got that out. As I said I'm not going to go back and forth with you with these city vs city comparisons. I think you're on your sixth city by now. Lastly, I can give two cents about who you are, where you are from, or where you have been none of that matters. I can have a civil conversation without profanity and adults getting upset over nothing.

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Old 04-13-2015, 11:54 AM
 
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Lol Richmond boosters are a trip.
Yes isn't that the truth
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Old 04-14-2015, 01:00 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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It goes without saying that Baltimore has some wealthy neighborhoods, and as such has different architecture to match. I was being facetious, but don't even try to act as if the rowhome stock in Baltimore doesn't outnumber other forms of residential architecture. And sure, there are some pretty ones, some pretty neighborhoods. I've been to Baltimore plenty of times, so you're not telling me anything new, and at any rate that isn't the point...

You're lying to say Baltimore has as much going on as any other city. Either its that, or you justb haven't traveled much. Charlotte and Baltimore are two cities I'm fairly familiar with, they are in the same general class of cities, and Charlotte blows you all out of the water. Where we agree is that the areas surrounding the Harbor are great. And you may be able to name specific neighborhoods that are gems; you should be, as you're from Baltimore. That still doesn't change the fact that Baltimore has more urban blight than anywhere on the East Coast, has some of the largest income disparity on the East Coast, is extremely segregated, has a reputation for some of the worst racism on the East Coast large cities, incompetent city government, an overworked and undermanned police department, is not a very diverse city in terms of people, architecture, food, etc, and to clarify that statement, this is in comparison to other cities of its size.

Sure, Richmond is small. I get it. And Baltimore seriously lacks for a city of its size, and feels especially small compared to The City. The problem with Baltimoreans is that you all see yourselves as Philadelphia-lite without offering the quality of life and cultural amenities one can find in Philadelphia. Be Baltimore!

And one thing that isn't debatable is that Richmond has and is gentrifying at a faster pace, it is growing faster than Baltimore, and like Baltimore, is the predominant city in its state. Some of my points may be flawed, because some of them are opinion. But some of them are fact, and you can dress it however you want to, but you're not talking to someone unfamiliar with Baltimore, so your threats of "getting ugly" are inconsequential....
The only person lying is you. You chose to drag Baltimore through the mud knowing good and well this thread is about Richmond versus New Orleans, so why are you bringing up Baltimore and Charlotte? He took you to task and challenged all of your flawed points. You can't be mad at that. Not to shade Richmond, but FYI Richmond is not the dominant city in Virginia, Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Newport News is the second largest MSA behind D.C./NOVA and has a significantly larger economy than Richmond. Richmond is third largest behind D.C. and Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Newport News. Now check that!
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Old 04-14-2015, 06:35 AM
 
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The only person lying is you. You chose to drag Baltimore through the mud knowing good and well this thread is about Richmond versus New Orleans, so why are you bringing up Baltimore and Charlotte? He took you to task and challenged all of your flawed points. You can't be mad at that. Not to shade Richmond, but FYI Richmond is not the dominant city in Virginia, Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Newport News is the second largest MSA behind D.C./NOVA and has a significantly larger economy than Richmond. Richmond is third largest behind D.C. and Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Newport News. Now check that!
In terms of metros, obviously Richmond comes third but as a city, I think of it as tops in VA. It doesn't have a lot of supporting cast like NOVA and Hampton Roads which function as multinodal regions compared to Richmond whose metro revolves solely around it.
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