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Old 04-20-2015, 01:31 PM
 
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To the OP: Ask yourself this question, why is it mostly non-residents suggesting San Diego over Phoenix ?
I will tell you why...San Diego is a beautiful place with honest, hard working people who try to do the right thing. The majority are honest and will tell you that, if you came to San-Diego as a 21 year old with no job etc, you will be chewed-up, spit-out, kicked to the curb with your dead carcass being devoured by flies.
Adults with two income households fight that " cost of living " monster everyday. And a lot of them I hate to say, succumb to the beast.
If you think you're going to waltz your 21 year old butt into San-Diego California and " make it happen " , do me a favor....when you approach me in McDonald's please let me finish my hot frys before you ask me if I have any spare change !
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Old 04-20-2015, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Buena Park, Orange County, California
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To the OP: Ask yourself this question, why is it mostly non-residents suggesting San Diego over Phoenix ?
I will tell you why...San Diego is a beautiful place with honest, hard working people who try to do the right thing. The majority are honest and will tell you that, if you came to San-Diego as a 21 year old with no job etc, you will be chewed-up, spit-out, kicked to the curb with your dead carcass being devoured by flies.
Adults with two income households fight that " cost of living " monster everyday. And a lot of them I hate to say, succumb to the beast.
If you think you're going to waltz your 21 year old butt into San-Diego California and " make it happen " , do me a favor....when you approach me in McDonald's please let me finish my hot frys before you ask me if I have any spare change !
As a Californian, I actually find San Diego relatively affordable for what it offers...but I'm thinking of San Francisco, LA and OC when it comes to expensive. I don't know... perhaps I would view things differently if I had kids/a family to worry about.

Phoenix though...it's like crazy cheap in my eyes. lol...and I can see why families that secure a job there choose to relocate to the Valley of the Sun. Good bang for the buck without the humidity of Texas.

Now, as a 21 year old, San Diego would be more attractive, as it would mean a short drive to LA and other 'cool' places. My priority would be securing a job though, as otherwise you would be quite limited on what you could do in either Phoenix or San Diego without one. Also, for San Diego at least, you should be open to "flexible" living situations until you have a stable income.
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Old 04-20-2015, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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I'm glad that you found the time to make such an informed contribution in order to improve our lives.
You're welcome. The urban legends in Arizona have deep roots, don't they?
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Old 04-21-2015, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Of course there are young people in Phoenix, duh. ASU is probably the biggest university in the country by now. But, no, I've never lived in Phoenix. Why would I? Tucson, in my opinion, is a far superior city. But I totally recognize that not everyone is an anti-car, gay, Socialist like myself.

To be fair, I came up with a list of things I like about Phoenix:

1) The Coronado neighborhood is okay.

2) There's also a dive bar in Tempe that I'm quite found of called the Palo Verde Lounge.

3) I like the Phoenix airport. It offers non-stop flights to everywhere and there's almost never a weather delay.
That explains your first post. Thanks for the heads-up!

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Old 04-21-2015, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Miami Beach, FL/Tokyo, Japan
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San Diego is not terribly expensive if you're renting. It's actually fairly inexpensive compared to cities like Boston, San Francisco and especially NYC (Manhattan) if you're renting.

However renting is a waste of money and resources. You're tossing away your money. If you're young (and you are) it's all right, however if you plan to put down roots into San Diego you should look into buying and here is where San Diego will be expensive, officially second in California after the Bay Area (Los Angeles has all sorts of range in her neighborhoods).
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Old 04-24-2015, 05:56 AM
 
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As a young person if you want a better cost of living pick Phoenix. I can afford some of the most luxurious apartments in Phoenix, but in San Diego I'd be in an average place. There are tons of young people in Tempe, ASU is the largest school in the US. The only reason I'd pick San Diego would be if I loved the ocean, which I don't. There's ton to do in Phoenix, with downtown, Tempe, and Scottsdale all having their own nightlife.
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Old 04-26-2015, 04:10 PM
 
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Why can't you just accept that most people don't think highly of Phoenix? If you like it. Fine. Many people find the city dull and unlivable, especially compared to a place like San Diego. What's funny is that many people in Phoenix would probably prefer to live in San Diego themselves. Most just can't afford it or have some aversion to living in the state of California. That doesn't stop people from trying to make Phoenix look like it's an extension of Southern California in the process.
I couldn't agree more.

I lived in Scottsdale for two years, and it seems like most of the people who live in Phoenix would move to San Diego in a heartbeat, if the opportunity presented itself and/or they had the wherewithal to afford it.

Many of the people living in Phoenix are transplants from the Midwest, East Coast, and other parts of the Intermountain West who moved to Phoenix with intentions of eventually moving on to Southern California, especially younger people (college students and young professionals).

Then, of course, you have tons of transplants from Southern California who have intentions of eventually moving back at some point.

But the kicker is, it seemed like many Arizona natives weren't particularly crazy about living in Phoenix, either, and would probably move to San Diego or another part of California, if given the chance.

Not only is Phoenix literally transient with people constantly coming and going, but the general mindset of the Valley is very transient overall. It just seems like very, very few people move to Phoenix with intentions of living out the rest their days there. Kinda depressing, IMO, and definitely not what I expected when I first moved there.

OTOH, the transplant mindset couldn't be more opposite in California. Never have I lived in a state -- and I've lived in some transplant-heavy states (Florida, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas to name a few) -- that was home to such highly content, well-adjusted transplants as California.

Like I always say -- I wasn't born in California, but California was born in me.
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Old 04-26-2015, 06:32 PM
 
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Listen...I don't come to these boards to boost Phoenix. In fact, most of my posts are discounting ridiculous claims by some posters who seem to have more of an investment in making Phoenix, Arizona, or other cities look as horrible as possible by making stupid, faulty assumptions. Furthermore, I really do not care whether you or any other misinformed poster thinks highly of Phoenix. I initially joined CD years ago because I thought it was an interesting place to LEARN about other cities. Lastly, if you actually believe you are the spokesperson for what "most people" think on any type of subject, you are sorely mistaken. I mean, do you really believe you've got that much power?
No, you're trying to refute subjective statements. Someone said that they find Phoenix boring. That's their opinion. It's also a common complaint, even among people who live here. Just because there are 4.5 million people here doesn't make this place interesting to everyone. Some people don't get excited over going to Tempe Marketplace, hiking Camelback, or going to some random festival in some part of the Valley. If you do, fine. Just accept that it's not true for everyone. Someone else said that Phoenix is full of Mormons and old people. It's certainly not true all over, but there are certain parts of the Valley that are heavily Mormon or that have high concentrations of people over the age of 65.

You seem to care deeply about defending Phoenix. You don't have to. People are going to have their opinions regardless. Living here, I can certainly tell you what most people I have encountered have said to me. You cannot deny that Phoenix is a transient place. Also, for some strange reason people from here seem to flock to San Diego every summer like birds, but for some strange reason people from San Diego never seem to have much desire to come here. Ever wonder why?

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I couldn't agree more.

I lived in Scottsdale for two years, and it seems like most of the people who live in Phoenix would move to San Diego in a heartbeat, if the opportunity presented itself and/or they had the wherewithal to afford it.

Many of the people living in Phoenix are transplants from the Midwest, East Coast, and other parts of the Intermountain West who moved to Phoenix with intentions of eventually moving on to Southern California, especially younger people (college students and young professionals).

Then, of course, you have tons of transplants from Southern California who have intentions of eventually moving back at some point.

But the kicker is, it seemed like many Arizona natives weren't particularly crazy about living in Phoenix, either, and would probably move to San Diego or another part of California, if given the chance.

Not only is Phoenix literally transient with people constantly coming and going, but the general mindset of the Valley is very transient overall. It just seems like very, very few people move to Phoenix with intentions of living out the rest their days there. Kinda depressing, IMO, and definitely not what I expected when I first moved there.

OTOH, the transplant mindset couldn't be more opposite in California. Never have I lived in a state -- and I've lived in some transplant-heavy states (Florida, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas to name a few) -- that was home to such highly content, well-adjusted transplants as California.

Like I always say -- I wasn't born in California, but California was born in me.
It is the truth. As someone who lives in Phoenix currently, I have certainly encounter MANY transplanted Californians who would give a limb to go back to California and other transplants here who seemingly feel indifferent about the place who seem to go to San Diego or LA whenever they can. I have yet to meet anyone my age who is vocal about wanting to spend the remainder of their lives here, natives included. Moving from Colorado, where people do not hesitate to tell you that they're Colorado natives, people here seem hesitant and not very proud of having the distinction of having been born in Arizona.

While all Californians are certainly not content with living in California, there seems to be a general pride among many of live there. That pride is absolutely not here in Arizona.
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Old 04-26-2015, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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No, you're trying to refute subjective statements. Someone said that they find Phoenix boring. That's their opinion. It's also a common complaint, even among people who live here. Just because there are 4.5 million people here doesn't make this place interesting to everyone. Some people don't get excited over going to Tempe Marketplace, hiking Camelback, or going to some random festival in some part of the Valley. If you do, fine. Just accept that it's not true for everyone. Someone else said that Phoenix is full of Mormons and old people. It's certainly not true all over, but there are certain parts of the Valley that are heavily Mormon or that have high concentrations of people over the age of 65.

You seem to care deeply about defending Phoenix. You don't have to. People are going to have their opinions regardless. Living here, I can certainly tell you what most people I have encountered have said to me. You cannot deny that Phoenix is a transient place. Also, for some strange reason people from here seem to flock to San Diego every summer like birds, but for some strange reason people from San Diego never seem to have much desire to come here. Ever wonder why?
Subjective? Perhaps if you were speaking solely about yourself, but you weren't. You were making faulty assumptions about how most people think and feel about Phoenix as if you would even know such a thing. You stated, "Why can't you just accept that most people don't think highly of Phoenix? If you like it. Fine. Many people find the city dull and unlivable, especially compared to a place like San Diego. What's funny is that many people in Phoenix would probably prefer to live in San Diego themselves. Most just can't afford it or have some aversion to living in the state of California. That doesn't stop people from trying to make Phoenix look like it's an extension of Southern California in the process." I see you corrected yourself in your last post by changing that to most people you have encountered.

I couldn't care less whether you or anyone else likes Phoenix. It's not for everyone and is far from perfect in my opinion. Furthermore, I never said Phoenix wasn't a transient place. In fact, I admitted that it was. In addition, I never said I didn't like San Diego when the truth is that I love the city and I happen to be one of those residents who flocks there each year. Lastly, I specifically said that it is not my goal to boost Phoenix, but discount ridiculous posts by ridiculous posters who believe they can speak on behalf on hundreds, thousands, or millions of other people/residents/nonresidents as well as those who aren't residents and claim to know more about the city than the residents who live there. The fact that I have to rehash this in another post to you is rather annoying.
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Old 04-26-2015, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Reseda (heart of the SFV)
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Man new2colo, what the heck's up with the ageism and anti Mormon rhetoric? I'm not Mormon but all the ones I know have impeccably kept and manicured yards, well behaved kids and are entrepreneurial types. You should really open your mind and get to know a few, they're really good people. All the heavily Mormon neighborhoods in the Phoenix area also have top rated schools so that's a huge plus. I'd certainly rather have Mormon neighbors than the thug life types.
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