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View Poll Results: Is Philadelphia more urban than Chicago?
More urban 46 24.60%
Less urban 100 53.48%
About the same/don't know/don't care 41 21.93%
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Old 04-17-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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I didn't claim anything. You gave very definitive statements regarding cities and their highrise construction. I stated the one that I knew, that Chicago has 31 sites either under construction or having site work done for spring/summer construction.

My statement was out of curiosity asking what exactly the stats are for Miami, or Philadelphia or San Francisco since you said that Miami was basically leaving Chicago in the dust regarding highrise construction and other cities are also outpacing Chicago in highrise construction.

I'm interested in stats - so what are they?? You seem quite sure of yourself, I assumed you would know.
I have seen it somewhere, believe that Miami was above 40 currently will see if I can dig it up I also think Seattle may be above (potentially Houston as well but not sure with highrises)

Chicago to me does seem to have a lot going up
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Old 04-17-2015, 02:18 PM
 
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I have seen it somewhere, believe that Miami was above 40 currently will see if I can dig it up I also think Seattle may be above (potentially Houston as well but not sure with highrises)

Chicago to me does seem to have a lot going up
I'm not trying to fight one way or the other, I was simply interested. I would assume Miami has a lot. What's going up in Seattle? I'm counting a highrise as anything with more than a dozen floors. That's where I saw the Chicago stats.

The previous page comparing other cities used 18 floors as the cutoff.

If you count as just 12 floors or more, Chicago has built 232 highrises since the year 2000 with the previously mentioned 31 coming up now.
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Old 04-17-2015, 02:18 PM
 
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I didn't claim anything.
No, in fact you did claim that Chicago was not underperforming relative to other cities, which obviously isn't true. There's no way Chicago can match Miami construction numbers, while, in the past, there was no way the reverse was true, as there was no way Miami could match Chicago construction numbers.

So yeah, that's a notable change. The cities have reversed roles.
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You gave very definitive statements regarding cities and their highrise construction. I stated the one that I knew, that Chicago has 31 sites either under construction or having site work done for spring/summer construction.
And your own numbers confirm that Chicago badly lags NYC and Miami, and is about the same as Philly, SF and LA. That's exactly the point. In the past, no city, outside of NYC, could touch Chicago highrise construction.
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My statement was out of curiosity asking what exactly the stats are for Miami, or Philadelphia, Los Angeles or San Francisco since you said that Miami was basically leaving Chicago in the dust regarding highrise construction and other cities are also even with Chicago in highrise construction.
You are free to view SSP, SSC, Emporis or the Census. They all have the data.
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I'm interested in stats - so what are they?? You seem quite sure of yourself, I assumed you would know.
Not my fault if you refuse to acknowledge official construction stats by refusing to actually do the research. I can provide the links if you need guidance.
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I found research of the number of highrises completed in US cities from 2000 to 2013:
Which is exactly my point. Chicago was booming back in 2010. In the past. Chicago was a clear #2. Now it's a very distant #3 through #6. Chicago used to think it could almost hang with NYC in terms of housing construction, now it can't even touch Miami.
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Old 04-17-2015, 02:25 PM
 
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^ lol, are you on crazy pills or something?

You haven't listed one fact at all and are just coming across a little trollish in your claims. I really don't care one way or the other, just calling you out because you're kinda asking for it. I don't think Chicago is really underperforming, it's doing well given its historical averages. I just want you to explain how it "obviously is". Other cities stepping to the plate and building their own highrises doesn't mean another city is failing.

Where is it "badly lagging" Miami? Where is it even with Philly, San Fran and LA? Just because it backs up your point to say something doesn't mean it's true. I'm on all those sites you mentioned, which is the only reason I'm asking you to back up your claim.

I'm not even saying you're wrong. I just think you're overreacting and acting a bit like a little kid. We know you're obviously very biased against Chicago given your history of posts on this site, that doesn't mean it's not fair game to call it out.
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Old 04-17-2015, 02:25 PM
 
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Miami doesn't include Miami Beach and the coastal cities, so it's going to be fairly close to Chicago if you include those.

I would be very impressed with San Francisco, Los Angeles and Philadelphia if you're correct that they're around even with Chicago's 31 sites going up at the moment consitering that in the previous 13 year period they only had 22, 13 and 12 buildings completed vs Chicago's 149.

I don't really follow where you think Chicago has slowed down from its historical building trends. 31 sites under construction now would be fairly on track with the previous rate of 149 buildings built over a 13 year period. That period was the biggest "boom" as far as highrise construction in the city except maybe the 1920's.


Chicago's 149 highrises built from 2000 to 2013 actually outpaces the total stock of highrises standing in any US city as of 2013 except New York, Miami and Houston. I don't really understand how it's "falling behind" and basically should be embarrassed or something. It built more in a 13 year period than have ever been built in anything other than the three cities mentioned above, and Houston was only marginally higher, with 174 buildings as of 2013.
I think Los Angeles is in the 20s for current high rises. Of course, unlike Chicago they are in several different neighborhoods like Hollywood, DTLA, K-town and Century City/Beverly Hills.

It is pretty impressive considering only a dozen were built the previous decade.
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Old 04-17-2015, 02:34 PM
 
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I think Los Angeles is in the 20s for current high rises. Of course, unlike Chicago they are in several different neighborhoods like Hollywood, DTLA, K-town and Century City/Beverly Hills.

It is pretty impressive considering only a dozen were built the previous decade.
Right now? I found lists of current construction and it only lists 6 buildings over 12 stories?
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Old 04-17-2015, 02:40 PM
 
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Chicago is 8th in the United States, which makes sense since high-rises follow the same trends as hotel units under-construction, housing units under-construction, and office space under-construction; all of which Chicago is beat by at least 3-5 places in each category. By the way, that isn't to say all hotels, residential, or office space under-construction is a highrise but if you have more, you will likely have more highrises under-construction than Chicago.

Here is just under-construction from my friend Dylan's site (unfortunate no one uses his database, he literally has his staff in Denver update it every single night; and most of the posters here have an apparent account on there):

New York:


Miami:


Houston:


San Francisco:


Seattle:


Austin:


Los Angeles:


Chicago:


Philadelphia:


Also that list of highrises (10+ stories or even 12+ stories) completed since 2000 is laughably wrong. I've counted some of those cities up myself and they double, triple, and at times quadruple the numbers that were posted. Absolutely laughable.
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Old 04-17-2015, 02:46 PM
 
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^ where's that info coming from? It's missing at least 10 for Chicago just eyeballing it...what's with other cities having buildings listed that are only 6 floors high? Seems random.
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Old 04-17-2015, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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^ where's that info coming from? It's missing at least 10 for Chicago just eyeballing it...
It isn't missing anything, it is a list that is updated when the first steal beams are installed at every under-construction site (highlighting that buildings are officially underway).

I would share with you where it came from but that is against terms of service on this board to talk about another one.

I also know the guy that owns the site, he was a neighbor of mine a while ago and talk to him frequently, yes, it is up to date. He pays his staff in Denver (the maintenance and security people) to know all things about under-construction highrises in the country. He's very good.
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Old 04-17-2015, 02:56 PM
 
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Here are the actual Census housing construction stats for apartment housing in NYC, Miami, and Chicago. You will see there's a huge gap between NYC and Miami, and then a smaller, but still significant, gap between Miami and Chicago.

In all three cities, most of the apartment construction is urban-style midrise or highrise, so you can probably take the relative construction numbers as a relative rank of highrise construction, at least for residential.

The numbers are actually even more skewed for NYC if you do by CSA, since a considerable amount of apartment construction is outside the MSA (in places like Stamford, Norwalk, New Haven and New Brunswick), while that isn't the case for Miami or Chicago, but, in any case, I'm too lazy to add everything up, so will just do MSA.

Multifamily units (5+ units) permitted in 2014-

NYC- 33,766 units

Miami- 9,747 units

Chicago- 7,417 units

Source
http://www.census.gov/construction/b...t3yu201412.txt

Multifamily units (5+ units) permitted in 2013-

NYC- 27,346 units

Miami- 13,364 units

Chicago- 3,844 units

Source
http://www.census.gov/construction/bps/txt/tb3u2013.txt

So, in sum, I see around 61,000 units permitted in NYC, 23,000 permitted in Miami, and around 11,000 permitted in Chicago. The three cities are clearly in three different tiers in terms of multifamily construction.
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