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View Poll Results: Is Philadelphia more urban than Chicago?
More urban 46 24.60%
Less urban 100 53.48%
About the same/don't know/don't care 41 21.93%
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Old 06-24-2015, 10:23 AM
 
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As a whole, yes, but Queens is not unlike may parts of Chicago (though not all of Queens or anything) in terms of built environment and density.

This for example in Queens is not unlike something you'd find in an area of Chicago like Lakeview, Lincoln Park, Uptown, Edgewater, etc and I'd bet real money that you could convince someone from Chicago who's familiar with those areas that it's actually Chicago (as long as you were to blur out all the license plates on the street):

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7467...7i13312!8i6656
I can't even think of a single block anywhere like that in Chicago.

To me, it seems pretty obvious NYC, as look at the building types, look at the street and sidewalk. They basically scream NYC.

Is there even one similar block anywhere in Chicago?
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Old 06-24-2015, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Is there even one similar block anywhere in Chicago?
Yes. There are blocks in Lakeview East east of Broadway and west of the Lake are like this but you're right - not exactly. What I meant though is you could probably make someone believe that's in Chicago somewhere.
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Old 06-24-2015, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Yes. There are blocks in Lakeview East east of Broadway and west of the Lake are like this but you're right - not exactly. What I meant though is you could probably make someone believe that's in Chicago somewhere.
Yeah, it's not too dissimilar from down the street of where I live in Edgewater:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9926...8i6656!6m1!1e1

Setbacks are a bit wider as are the sidewalks.
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Old 06-24-2015, 10:40 AM
 
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
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I can't even think of a single block anywhere like that in Chicago.

To me, it seems pretty obvious NYC, as look at the building types, look at the street and sidewalk. They basically scream NYC.

Is there even one similar block anywhere in Chicago?
ALWAYS THE SAME..... NOLA nothing in Chicago as Mighty NYC has.... not on iota of a block ..... We can count on it. Something negative toward Chicago AND BRING NYC IN to lessen it.

Just because Chicago has a couple feet more set-backs from the street and alleyways..... At least you could acknowledge what others say of ACCUAL DENSITIES in Lakeside neighborhoods when the Lakeshore parks and harbors are removed..... ONE TIME. But I still can't forget your arguing Brooklyn's Brownstones are superior to any of Chicago's Greystone/Brownstond Victorian areas... It is on ALL THINGS..... you refer to as inferior?

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Old 06-24-2015, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Crown Heights
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I wonder what the density of Chicago would be if you were to get rid of the water/park areas along the lake from those tracts . Even down on the south side in South Shore, there are tracts with a density of under 10K per sq mile, but some of the block groups within those have density of 30k-50k per sq mile. Hyde Park has some of this going on too - as well as, of course, Near South Side where Museum Campus/Soldier Field and all that stuff is.
I doubt it'd be significantly higher. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think water is counted by the Census in calculating density and it can't be more than like 40 tracts affected by the Lakefront parks
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Old 06-24-2015, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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I doubt it'd be significantly higher. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think water is counted by the Census in calculating density and it can't be more than like 40 tracts affected by the Lakefront parks
I'm not sure - the source I'm using actually counts it I think
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Old 06-24-2015, 12:00 PM
 
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
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I doubt it'd be significantly higher. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think water is counted by the Census in calculating density and it can't be more than like 40 tracts affected by the Lakefront parks
Would Density Tract counts dismiss these parks? Because of Harbors within Land areas, for Lincoln Park? But High-rises line 3-sides of it.
Would the US census leave out Millennium/Grant Park, from the Cities 2-miles from city hall downtown count? When Skyscrapers line 3 sides of it?

.... Lincoln Park....... Grant Park..... Millennium Park.... Lincoln Park
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Old 06-25-2015, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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I can't even think of a single block anywhere like that in Chicago.

To me, it seems pretty obvious NYC, as look at the building types, look at the street and sidewalk. They basically scream NYC.

Is there even one similar block anywhere in Chicago?
Chicago is more urban and that's that!
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Old 06-25-2015, 01:40 PM
 
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Yeah, it's not too dissimilar from down the street of where I live in Edgewater:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9926...8i6656!6m1!1e1

Setbacks are a bit wider as are the sidewalks.
To me, those blocks aren't very similar. The Edgewater block obviously has lots of lawn separating the street from the sidewalk, and the sidewalk from the buildings, and the buildings themselves have a totally different appearance and scale. Then there's all those gated courtyard thingees that are common to Chicago and rare in NYC.

I wouldn't be surprised if the first block (the Queens block) had at least twice the density of the Edgewater (Chicago) block. Bigger, taller buildings, bigger building footprints, no setbacks, smaller street, no wasted public or private space.
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Old 06-25-2015, 02:31 PM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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I agree there's a lot of Chicago that's similar to large parts of Queens, and the cities are relatively similar in the 25K-50K range. The difference comes at 50K+, where Queens blows Chicago out of the water (I know that's not really the point, just sayin)
Rather large density gap:

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