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Old 04-16-2015, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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Originally Posted by PortCity View Post
Mobile's GDP is at 18 now and Huntsville is at 23.I can't find the article at the moment to back my claim .Huntsville never really passed Mobile metro in population. We lost Baldwin County a couple years back because it fell 1% behind the metro commuting paterns and Baldwin still pretty much feels like it is apart of the Mobile metro that is why this is strongly being pushed I-10 Mobile River Bridge's construction could generate $1.5 billion for Mobile area | AL.com . Mobile still feels more urban , vibrant and larger than Huntsville inspite of there progress.Baldwin County's commuting numbers have increased and if it still was in the Mobile metro then Mobile's metro growth would appear to be faster than Huntsville's because Baldwin County grew at a faster pace than Madison (Huntsville) County. Huntsville's GDP became larger when we lost Baldwin County. Baldwin is 27k shy of being larger than Montgomery County.

Huntsville has a lot going on for it but if you were to spend a day or weekend in both cities then you would know that the numbers don't truely represent how they truely feel.

Biloxi would be 2nd in Missisisipi even though Hattisburg and Meridian are larger.Savannah is second in Georgia even though Augusta has a much larger GDP and metro. Some would even argue that Columbus ,Oh is second.
Meridian is 6th largest in the state. Going from memory it's:

Jackson
Gulfport
Southaven
Hattiesburg
Biloxi
Meridian

Biloxi is still slightly larger in city population, it only took a dive after Katrina, and is still slowly rebounding.

 
Old 04-16-2015, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Mobile,Al(the city by the bay)
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Meridian is 6th largest in the state. Going from memory it's:

Jackson
Gulfport
Southaven
Hattiesburg
Biloxi
Meridian

Biloxi is still slightly larger in city population, it only took a dive after Katrina, and is still slowly rebounding.
Biloxi also feels more vibrant than Southhaven and Hattiesburg.Hattiesburg is a decent college town but I would much rather live in Biloxi or Gulfport than any other city in Mississippi one of the coastal Mississippi counties is on track to entering the 200k county mark along with Hinds(Jackson).

Jackson (172,638) Hinds County (243,729)
Gulport ( 71,012) Harrisson County(199,058)
Southhaven(50,997) Desoto County( 170,913)
Hattiesburg(47,556) Forest County(76,330)
Biloxi(44,820) Harrison County
Meridian ( 40,992) Lauderdale County(79,739)

At one time I thought Meridian was larger than both Hattiesburg and Biloxi but Katrina could have been a factor for Biloxi.

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Old 04-16-2015, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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Biloxi also feels more vibrant than Southhaven and Hattiesburg.Hattiesburg is a decent college town but I would much rather live in Biloxi or Gulfport than any other city in Mississippi one of the coastal Mississippi counties is on track to entering the 200k county mark along with Hinds(Jackson).

Jackson (172,638) Hinds County (243,729)
Gulport ( 71,012) Harrisson County(199,058)
Southhaven(50,997) Desoto County( 170,913)
Hattiesburg(47,556) Forest County(76,330)
Biloxi(44,820) Harrison County
Meridian ( 40,992) Lauderdale County(79,739)

At one time I thought Meridian was larger than both Hattiesburg and Biloxi but Katrina could have been a factor for Biloxi.
Meridian was the largest city in the state until 1920 when Jackson passed it. After the demise of the railroads Meridian entered decades of stagnation, lived there for over 4 years, quite familiar with how dead it is.

I quite enjoyed coastal Mississippi. Biloxi felt very lively, and Gulfport had a very modern and upscale feeling downtown. Ocean Springs and D'Ibberville get worthy mentions too, though they're basically just bedroom communities.

Also Hattiesburg lays directly on the line of Forest and Lamar counties, might as well factor in both.
 
Old 04-16-2015, 07:43 PM
 
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Sherlock? LOL...rudeness over such trivial foolishness...that's a shame

Anyway, I have already said in this very thread that The Bay would be second city in only 2 states in the country. The Bay certainly deserves its props. Whether you like it or not, its not the first city in California. Earlier in this thread I put Houston and Dallas-Ft Worth as equals. I cannot do the same for LA and SF. While the Bay has a per capita larger economy, more rich people etc; by your own figures LA still has a 50% larger GDP. Larger GDP, twice as many people, more famous...I mean, California is one of the easier states to pick first and second cities.
While LA is California's #1 city in terms of size, GDP, etc., SF is the #1 showcase city. If I'm planning a trip to California and had to choose between the two, it's SF by far!! The only good thing that can be said about LA when compared to SF is that it's larger, and if that makes some of you people feel good, that's fine. But SF doesn't take a back seat to the endless sprawl and small CBD of LA. In many ways, SF is the #1 city in California!!
 
Old 04-17-2015, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Mobile,Al(the city by the bay)
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Meridian was the largest city in the state until 1920 when Jackson passed it. After the demise of the railroads Meridian entered decades of stagnation, lived there for over 4 years, quite familiar with how dead it is.

I quite enjoyed coastal Mississippi. Biloxi felt very lively, and Gulfport had a very modern and upscale feeling downtown. Ocean Springs and D'Ibberville get worthy mentions too, though they're basically just bedroom communities.

Also Hattiesburg lays directly on the line of Forest and Lamar counties, might as well factor in both.

Yeah I forgot that Hattiesburg is in two counties.
 
Old 04-17-2015, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Mobile,Al(the city by the bay)
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While LA is California's #1 city in terms of size, GDP, etc., SF is the #1 showcase city. If I'm planning a trip to California and had to choose between the two, it's SF by far!! The only good thing that can be said about LA when compared to SF is that it's larger, and if that makes some of you people feel good, that's fine. But SF doesn't take a back seat to the endless sprawl and small CBD of LA. In many ways, SF is the #1 city in California!!
I can see your point in this. I believe from the perspective of Hollywood , media ,and someone who has never visited both cities would most certainly put L.A as number one outside of size and GDP. As for someone who has visited and spent a decent amount of time in both cities would give SF the #1 ranking.
 
Old 04-17-2015, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Bridgeport, Chicago
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Illinois is hard. I would say probably Rockford or Peoria. But, truth be told, in terms of its cultural sphere of influence, and that nearly 700,000+ people live in the Illinois suburbs, I might be inclined to say St. Louis, Missouri.
you could make a case for St. Louis but considering Illinois proper I'd go with Peoria - culturally and historically (museums, architecture), intellectually (Bradley University, Northern Lab) as well as economically (Caterpillar, medical center)
 
Old 04-17-2015, 10:27 AM
 
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While LA is California's #1 city in terms of size, GDP, etc., SF is the #1 showcase city. If I'm planning a trip to California and had to choose between the two, it's SF by far!! The only good thing that can be said about LA when compared to SF is that it's larger, and if that makes some of you people feel good, that's fine. But SF doesn't take a back seat to the endless sprawl and small CBD of LA. In many ways, SF is the #1 city in California!!
Agree to disagree. I think we are looking at this from 2 different angles. To me, there has to be some measure of objectivity in picking a first and second city of anything. I think its different than asking whats your favorite city. You may be looking at it from the angle of what you thnk is the best city city. To me, first city does not mean that it has to be the best city. IMO, once all the metrics keep pointing to you as the big dog in the state, then you are the first city no matter what my particular preference may be.
 
Old 04-17-2015, 10:42 AM
 
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Agree to disagree. I think we are looking at this from 2 different angles. To me, there has to be some measure of objectivity in picking a first and second city of anything. I think its different than asking whats your favorite city. You may be looking at it from the angle of what you thnk is the best city city. To me, first city does not mean that it has to be the best city. IMO, once all the metrics keep pointing to you as the big dog in the state, then you are the first city no matter what my particular preference may be.
Completely agreed.
 
Old 04-17-2015, 11:44 PM
 
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While LA is California's #1 city in terms of size, GDP, etc., SF is the #1 showcase city. If I'm planning a trip to California and had to choose between the two, it's SF by far!! The only good thing that can be said about LA when compared to SF is that it's larger, and if that makes some of you people feel good, that's fine. But SF doesn't take a back seat to the endless sprawl and small CBD of LA. In many ways, SF is the #1 city in California!!
This argument, as others said, doesn't really hold up. Just because you would plan a trip to SF over LA doesn't mean it is CA's #1 city. Someone planning a trip to FL might choose Orlando or Tampa over Miami because they're looking for a more family friendly destination or better beaches. There's no denying that Miami is FL's #1 city though. Or someone visiting Hawaii might visit Kauai or Maui for a more relaxing trip because that's what they're interested in. There's no denying that Honolulu is HI's #1 city.

So yes, LA is CA's #1 city. Largest in terms of basically everything. As for CBD, LA's is small for the size of LA, but if most other cities had the CBD of LA, it would be very impressive. LA city might be less dense than SF city, but Greater LA is denser than the SF Bay Area.

I'm sure many posters on here know my dislike for SF, but this is not an opinion based answer. SF is one of the most internationally recognized and most visited cities in the world with some of the top tourist attractions. The economy is strong, it's growing, it's a large metro, etc. But to place it above LA is just silly.

I feel like the only state that can actually have this debate is TX between Dallas and Houston as #1.
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