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Old 04-19-2015, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Originally Posted by Red John View Post
Tied?
Yes, and trending in the Bay Area's favor, actually.

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I am looking at Los Angeles and it has a $1 Trillion dollar economy. I don't even know what the exact number for San Francisco Bay Area is off the top of my head, I think like $600 Billion range or something like that (in that range). How is that close?
Oh really, you think $999 Billion for 18 Million people is more impressive than $664 Billion for 8 Million people?

I dont.

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Southern California is not a state, it a part of a state.
California's two halves have separate personas and conjour up different things to most people.

Los Angeles IS NOT the first city that people in Nor Cal look to for jobs, leisure, day trips, big city nightlife, culture, shopping etc. Not LA by a country mile. "Up North", San Francisco is The City, period.

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Los Angeles is the premier city of California. It is the face of California.
Yawns. San Francisco is also a premier city on the world stage, Classified an Alpha city just like LA and is the face of California as far as finance and technology, and has the undisputed premier downtown west of Chicago.

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It is the driving force of California.
Not really.

Patents Issued, 2013
Bay Area 21,620
Los Angeles.6,721

Fortune 500 Companies, 2014
Bay Area 30
Los Angeles 22

Oh, both US Senators, both the Governor and Lt Governor and all but 1 statewide elected official are all from the Bay Area.

Talk about being in the driver's seat.

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It is the epicenter of California.
It's too close to the southern extreme of the state to be the epicenter the Bay Area is becoming up North. Fail.

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That doesn't mean it is the only place contributing to California, by the way, but it is "the" top city in that state. If people had to envision ONE of California's two powerhouses, it would be Los Angeles first.
It depends on who you ask.

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Greater Los Angeles is half of California's total population, 25% of the entire Western United States' population. With the larger population comes the larger political impact, since more representatives are required for the larger population center in the House of Representatives in Congress. By the way, larger population is the reason why the Los Angeles media market has two sports teams in EVERY single professional sports league there is except NFL (and if they have their way, Raiders AND Rams will be back in Los Angeles).
Thats cute but 3 trillion+ dollars are invested from people around the world in Bay Area companies. LA is about 15% of that.

No wonder Ive been shrugging off these posts.

 
Old 04-19-2015, 04:39 PM
 
Location: The City
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SJ has the best per capita GDP

Maybe it should be SJ, LA, SF
 
Old 04-19-2015, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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SJ has the best per capita GDP

Maybe it should be SJ, LA, SF
Better GDP per capita than London and Tokyo too.
 
Old 04-19-2015, 04:48 PM
 
Location: The City
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Better GDP per capita than London and Tokyo too.
its settled then

SJ is the preeminent city of the world

For the rest of us LA is just clearly the number 1 city in CA and the 2nd city of the US



So unless you are SJ, LA or NYC in the US you don't matter

Is Oakland # 4 in CA or #5?
 
Old 04-19-2015, 04:52 PM
 
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It's honestly just laughable at this point, 18Montclair. The only people who see SF as CA's #1 city are you and other people in NorCal. For basically the rest of the world, it is LA. Hands down. End of story. Period. Stop arguing this. Yes, SF might catch up soon, but as of now, LA is undoubtedly CA's #1 city. Give it some time and at the pace SF is going compared to LA's it could change, but it's a joke to say LA isn't the #1 city.

LA being too far south to be the epicenter? So Miami isn't FL's #1 city cus it's far south? Chicago is too far north? NYC is too far south? Atlanta is too far north? Las Vegas is too far south? Your arguments seriously do make sense to anyone outside of the Bay Area.
 
Old 04-19-2015, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
Yes, and trending in the Bay Area's favor, actually.
The San Francisco Bay Area is narrowing the gap but that does not mean it is tied with Greater Los Angeles.
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Oh really, you think $999 Billion for 18 Million people is more impressive than $664 Billion for 8 Million people?

I dont.
When you add in the populations of each respective place like that, obviously no, but I find a $1 Trillion dollar economy impressive nonetheless. Doesn't matter how many more people it took to get it since only THREE cities worldwide have that. If you don't have it then why criticize? Throwing stones from a glass house is not wise.

Trillion is in a higher class than Billion. Impressive? Yes.

Besides, take a good, clean, sturdy look at Greater Los Angeles socioeconomically because that is also your future too. Los Angeles is not a laggard, its MSA actually punches its weight, it slows down when it adds in the Inland Empire. You should be familiar with this concept 18Montclair because this is happening to the Bay Area too; see Stockton and Modesto (Inland Empire North).
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California's two halves have separate personas and conjour up different things to most people.
I mean you can say that about a lot of places though.

Upstate New York is a different sort of beast from the Greater New York area. Pennsylvania is a different sort of beast in the eastern half from the western half. Florida is a different sort of beast in the northern half than the southern half. Texas is a different sort of beast along Interstate 35 versus non-Interstate 35 areas.

In all of those cases these places have different personas and conjour up different things to most people. In all of them.
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Los Angeles IS NOT the first city that people in Nor Cal look to for jobs, leisure, day trips, big city nightlife, culture, shopping etc. Not LA by a country mile. "Up North", San Francisco is The City, period.
Probably not in Northern California. I know that the San Francisco Bay Area's sphere of influence includes Sacramento too and it goes all the way up to Ashland, Oregon, that is where it trades hands with Portland and the sphere of influence ends. What I am saying is, that is huge, but California can only have one premier city. That is Los Angeles. Somewhere always has to finish second and come on, you cant possibly actually believe that the second place finish is by Los Angeles.

Anyhow, that is what Californians think. Here is how the world outside of California views it:

Argentina:
02. Los Angeles: 10th out of 50.
05. San Francisco: 20th out of 50.

Australia:
02. Los Angeles: 7th out of 50.
03. San Francisco: 12th out of 50.

Austria:
02. Los Angeles: 9th out of 50.
03. San Francisco: 15th out of 50.

Canada:
04. Los Angeles: 6th out of 50.
05. San Francisco: 9th out of 50.

China:
02. Los Angeles: 12th out of 50.
03. San Francisco: 14th out of 50.

Egypt:
02. Los Angeles: 13th out of 50.
03. San Francisco: 15th out of 50.

France:
02. Los Angeles: 13th out of 50.
03. San Francisco: 17th out of 50.

Germany:
02. Los Angeles: 11th out of 50.
03. San Francisco: 13th out of 50.

India:
02. Los Angeles: 8th out of 50.
04. San Francisco: 16th out of 50.

Italy:
02. Los Angeles: 14th out of 50.
03. San Francisco: 17th out of 50.

Japan:
02. Los Angeles: 6th out of 50.
03. San Francisco: 8th out of 50.

Mexico:
03. Los Angeles: 7th out of 50.
04. San Francisco: 11th out of 50.

Netherlands:
02. Los Angeles: 15th out of 50.
03. San Francisco: 22nd out of 50.

Poland:
02. Los Angeles: 15th out of 50.
04. San Francisco: 28th out of 50.

Russia:
02. Los Angeles: 16th out of 50.
03. San Francisco: 24th out of 50.

South Africa:
02. Los Angeles: 8th out of 50.
04. San Francisco: 18th out of 50.

South Korea:
02. Los Angeles: 7th out of 50.
03. San Francisco: 14th out of 50.

Spain:
02. Los Angeles: 13th out of 50.
03. San Francisco: 18th out of 50.

Sweden:
02. Los Angeles: 11th out of 50.
03. San Francisco: 15th out of 50.

Turkey:
02. Los Angeles: 13th out of 50.
03. San Francisco: 20th out of 50.

United Kingdom:
02. Los Angeles: 13th out of 50.
03. San Francisco: 21st out of 50.

United States:
03. San Francisco: 4th out of 50.
04. Los Angeles: 5th out of 50.

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Yawns. San Francisco is also a premier city on the world stage
Absolutely.
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Classified an Alpha city
I don't believe in this Alpha city nonsense that people keep foaming at the mouth over. Someone made a strata to classify cities that are the most economically linked TO LONDON and gave it the Alpha-Beta-Gamma stratas and it has since become the most widely documented city report ever by people that misinterpret it as a hierarchical ranking of world cities. The author admits that it is faulty and unreasonable but okay, people will still use that trash anyways.
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Oh, both US Senators, both the Governor and Lt Governor and all but 1 statewide elected official are all from the Bay Area.

Talk about being in the driver's seat.
Yes but they represent all of California and lets just keep it 100, nearly half of all Californians are Greater Los Angelenos.

Your Bay Area politicians serve their purpose and that is getting what most Californians want passed in Congress and most Californians (or at least half) are Greater Los Angelenos and more than half are Southern Californians.

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Old 04-19-2015, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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If San Francisco Bay Area was tied with Los Angeles (meaning of equal value), then explain to me why Delta and American have failed to make San Francisco into one of their megahubs like they have for Los Angeles. I know San Francisco is a hub for United, but Los Angeles is a megahub for United too.

Are they wrong for prioritizing Los Angeles over San Francisco, the same Los Angeles that is and has been California's premier city for just shy of a century now?
 
Old 04-19-2015, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
Yes, and trending in the Bay Area's favor, actually.


Oh really, you think $999 Billion for 18 Million people is more impressive than $664 Billion for 8 Million people?

I dont.


California's two halves have separate personas and conjour up different things to most people.

Los Angeles IS NOT the first city that people in Nor Cal look to for jobs, leisure, day trips, big city nightlife, culture, shopping etc. Not LA by a country mile. "Up North", San Francisco is The City, period.


Yawns. San Francisco is also a premier city on the world stage, Classified an Alpha city just like LA and is the face of California as far as finance and technology, and has the undisputed premier downtown west of Chicago.


Not really.

Patents Issued, 2013
Bay Area 21,620
Los Angeles.6,721

Fortune 500 Companies, 2014
Bay Area 30
Los Angeles 22

Oh, both US Senators, both the Governor and Lt Governor and all but 1 statewide elected official are all from the Bay Area.

Talk about being in the driver's seat.


It's too close to the southern extreme of the state to be the epicenter the Bay Area is becoming up North. Fail.


It depends on who you ask.



Thats cute but 3 trillion+ dollars are invested from people around the world in Bay Area companies. LA is about 15% of that.

No wonder Ive been shrugging off these posts.
Where are you getting these stats?

List of U.S. metropolitan areas by GDP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Los Angeles is $826 billion for 2014 and San Francisco is a meager $383 billion.
 
Old 04-19-2015, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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If San Francisco Bay Area was tied with Los Angeles (meaning of equal value), then explain to me why Delta and American have failed to make San Francisco into one of their megahubs like they have for Los Angeles. I know San Francisco is a hub for United, but Los Angeles is a megahub for United too.

Are they wrong for prioritizing Los Angeles over San Francisco, the same Los Angeles that is and has been California's premier city for just shy of a century now?
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Southwest airlines uses Midway International in Chicago as their hub, but don't fly to O'Hare, the 2nd busiest airport in the country, so what? FedEx and USPS use Memphis Tennessee as their hub, I guess Nashville is on the down and down since it's not a hub?
 
Old 04-19-2015, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Southwest airlines uses Midway International in Chicago as their hub, but don't fly to O'Hare, the 2nd busiest airport in the country, so what? FedEx and USPS use Memphis Tennessee as their hub, I guess Nashville is on the down and down since it's not a hub?
The price of tea in China? Wait what?

Southwest Airlines is a low-cost carrier, they technically do not have many hubs (only Virgin America and Alaska Airlines do, but they are a low-cost carrier), they have what they call "focus cities" which is like a hub in the sense that all flights to and from destinations are non-stop and larger operations are carried out through the "focus cities." Most low-cost carriers are also placed in secondary or tertiary airports for a city that has more than one airport (Greater Los Angeles has six commercial airports by the way). See New York's LaGuardia Airport, Washington DC's Reagan National Airport, Houston's Hobby Airport, Dallas' Love Field Airport, Miami's Fort Lauderdale International (Miami areas' Fort Lauderdale International if you want it to be politically correct), Chicago's Midway International, so on.

Only national and international flag carriers have hubs. In which case after the dissipation of United States Airways (American Airlines acquired them), we only have three national flag carriers now; United, American, and Delta.

The megahub status for Los Angeles means that when people fly from overseas or to overseas from domestically they are going to be funneled through Los Angeles International. It is very common for most large cities to be the hub for ONE of the three main airlines of the United States (Delta, United, American) but megahub status for ALL three of them is reserved only to New York and Los Angeles. That means that all three carriers have established a foothold and network in these two cities and will base their operations for an entire part of the world through these cities. Los Angeles also features a presidential lounge or club lounge for ALL THREE American carriers in most terminals at Los Angeles International, something San Francisco does not (it only has United).

New York is the Trans-Atlantic gateways for all three, Los Angeles is it's Trans-Pacific gateway for all three. San Francisco like most secondary markets (Boston, Dallas, Houston, Detroit, Phoenix, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Seattle, Charlotte) is only a hub for United. The grand majority of the routes out of San Francisco are available in Los Angeles but the reverse is not true, Los Angeles simply has a dominant collection of foreign air routes that no where else in California can match.

Megahub status is for the most profitable, large market, globally connected cities. Los Angeles is a gateway from every point on Earth. This, among other factors, adds to why it is California's premier city. Chicago for example is a large enough market to where it is a nexus and megahub for both United and American (but not Delta).

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