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Old 04-18-2015, 11:15 PM
 
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New York just feels like a cool, trendy, grand, busy, lively, American city, but make no doubt about it, New York is very American.

Sorry to break it to you, NOLA.
OK, then if you have a different opinion, tell us five major U.S. cities that are more different, and why.

This should be good...
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Old 04-18-2015, 11:19 PM
 
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New York City is as American as apple pie. Who cares if it's an outlier in terms of density?
Obviously you care, because that's the point of the thread. Which cities are outliers. NYC is an outlier in part, because of density. If you don't care, then you've just exposed your ignorance, not your difference of your opinion.

And you forgot population, building stock, transit, accent, streetscape, governing, taxation, land use planning, residence type, ownership structure, ethnicity, and lifestyle.

But yeah, besides that, it's like everywhere else...
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Old 04-18-2015, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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Actually, no, that is exactly my point. There aren't any other densely population cities in the U.S.

At extreme high densities, there is no city with even 1/20 the population of NYC at extreme high density.


No, NYC isn't "so huge". It's population is pretty similar to that of LA. 23 million compared to 18 million. There are many larger cities around the world; one nearly twice the size.

The difference in NYC isn't the size; it's the built form. The gap between the #1 and #2 city in terms of high density is bigger than the gap between the #2 city and the North Pole. It's like 2 million people living in extreme high density in NYC, 100,000 in the next city.

You are arguing the subjective, I am arguing facts. The fact that you personally are unaware of such differences is not really a logical response.

The density gap between NYC and Boston/SF/Chicago/DC/Philly is much bigger than the gap between those cities and the surface of the moon. So unless you think SF has the same population density as the moon, and looks about the same as the moon, then you don't really have an argument.
What you're not getting is that NYC having a higher density doesn't make it non-American. That's like saying Chicago isn't American because it's way more dense than Houston or Dallas or Atlanta. Imo, there's a difference between being unique and non-American.

There are many areas in NYC that feel like you aren't in the US, but overall NYC is very American Imo.
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Old 04-18-2015, 11:46 PM
 
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What you're not getting is that NYC having a higher density doesn't make it non-American. That's like saying Chicago isn't American because it's way more dense than Houston or Dallas or Atlanta.
No, the two are nothing alike.

Chicago has similar extreme high density as Houston or Dallas and Atlanta. All four cities have essentially no such density. In contrast, NYC has millions of people living at such density.

So obviously the cities you list are the same, and NYC is different, at least in terms of high density living. No city in the U.S. is remotely similar to NYC in this characteristic, why every city in the U.S. is similar to the cities you mention in this characteristic.

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Imo, there's a difference between being unique and non-American.
That makes no sense. Obviously the only way you can tell if a city is different is if it has unique characteristics.

And you haven't mentioned five cities that are non-American, so what are they?
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There are many areas in NYC that feel like you aren't in the US, but overall NYC is very American Imo.
But you need to tell us five major cities that are LESS American than NYC, otherwise, there's no point to your comments. Is it Dallas? Chicago? Minneapolis? Tell us why.
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Old 04-19-2015, 01:08 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Obviously you care, because that's the point of the thread. Which cities are outliers. NYC is an outlier in part, because of density. If you don't care, then you've just exposed your ignorance, not your difference of your opinion.

And you forgot population, building stock, transit, accent, streetscape, governing, taxation, land use planning, residence type, ownership structure, ethnicity, and lifestyle.

But yeah, besides that, it's like everywhere else...
You're listing qualities New York City has that are unique among American cities. If this were a thread about the 5 most unique cities, you're list would be persuasive. Unfortunately, none of those qualities make NYC feel like you're not in the US. How could they? We're talking about a former US Capital, fer chrissakes. Manhattan practically symbolizes America's economic and cultural might, and the Statue of Liberty is right over there. It's 100% 'Murican.

Honolulu is probably the only US city that feels like you're on foreign soil.
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Old 04-19-2015, 01:10 AM
 
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This is a terrible thread topic. There really aren't 5 US cities that aren't American. The closest thing would be Honolulu. I've never been somewhere in the US and thought, "Man, this feels like another country." Just because New York is dense doesn't make it un-American, it's just different.
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Old 04-19-2015, 01:29 AM
 
Location: LBC
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You're listing qualities New York City has that are unique among American cities. If this were a thread about the 5 most unique cities, you're list would be persuasive. Unfortunately, none of those qualities make NYC feel like you're not in the US. How could they? We're talking about a former US Capital, fer chrissakes. Manhattan practically symbolizes America's economic and cultural might, and the Statue of Liberty is right over there. It's 100% 'Murican.

Honolulu is probably the only US city that feels like you're on foreign soil.
Yeah, NYS is unique. But nobody without an agenda would describe it as feeling "foreign".

Honolulu, yes, Also Little Beach, Maui. And I suspected Macarthur Park & Westlake were outside US jurisdiction up until fairly recently.
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Old 04-19-2015, 01:37 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Lots of parts in LA make me feel like I'm in Mexico.
Try El Paso Tx. If you no habla espanol you are out of luck.
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Old 04-19-2015, 02:52 AM
 
Location: kansas city
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Calexico. Am i spelling that right ? been there for a bit before heading into Mexicali. Felt like i cross the border miles before i even went over. Its not a major city, but it deff did not feel american, which was cool
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Old 04-19-2015, 07:43 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Honolulu is probably the only US city that feels like you're on foreign soil.
Okay, I haven't been to Honolulu. But if I scan through radio stations there, are the majority of the broadcasts going to be in a language other than English?

In what language is the standard curriculum in the public schools?
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