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Old 04-17-2015, 09:41 PM
 
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New York may be more famous for its Italians, but "New York Italians" are for the most part very Americanized and would stand out in Italy. In America, the melting pot ideology prevails. Cheesesteaks and saying "capiche" does not a real Italian make. So while it has more people of Italian descent, Vancouver probably has more people who can actually speak Italian. People in Italy know the difference.

Go to Burnaby Heights or Commercial Drive, and you'll hear lots of Italian on the street and RAI broadcasting at Italian establishments.
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Old 04-17-2015, 10:39 PM
 
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New York may be more famous for its Italians, but "New York Italians" are for the most part very Americanized and would stand out in Italy. In America, the melting pot ideology prevails. Cheesesteaks and saying "capiche" does not a real Italian make. So while it has more people of Italian descent, Vancouver probably has more people who can actually speak Italian. People in Italy know the difference.

Go to Burnaby Heights or Commercial Drive, and you'll hear lots of Italian on the street and RAI broadcasting at Italian establishments.
I can't speak for Vancouver, but I will say the Italians in Toronto seem very connected to their roots, and it's probably because their arrival is generally more recent.
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Old 04-17-2015, 11:11 PM
 
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Whenever I want an authentic Italian experience, my first thought is always Vancouver, followed closely by Lucignano..
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Old 04-18-2015, 12:10 AM
 
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Immigration from Italy to New York stopped in 1920 or so, while Vancouver received Italian immigrants in the 50s and 60s. So you're actually more likely to meet somebody actually from Italy in Burnaby than you are in Brooklyn where they're mostly 3rd, 4th and 5th generation Americans.

For example, the so-called "Italians" of New York mocked Mayor Bill de Blasio for eating pizza with a knife and fork, even though it's the way pizza is eaten in Italy. This wouldn't happen in Vancouver because Italians there are actually connected to their roots.
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Old 04-18-2015, 12:26 AM
 
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New York may be more famous for its Italians, but "New York Italians" are for the most part very Americanized and would stand out in Italy. In America, the melting pot ideology prevails. Cheesesteaks and saying "capiche" does not a real Italian make. So while it has more people of Italian descent, Vancouver probably has more people who can actually speak Italian. People in Italy know the difference.

Go to Burnaby Heights or Commercial Drive, and you'll hear lots of Italian on the street and RAI broadcasting at Italian establishments.
Well, Italians in New York have been there for 100+ years...so yeah, of course there are a TON of American influences...it goes without saying.
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Old 04-18-2015, 06:39 AM
 
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Uh, Vancouver?? Famed city of Italians!?

Toronto is the Canadian city with the most Italians, obviously. Vancouver has a small and insignificant Italian population.

There are probably more Italians in NYC then there are people in Vancouver.
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Old 04-18-2015, 06:50 AM
 
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Immigration from Italy to New York stopped in 1920 or so, while Vancouver received Italian immigrants in the 50s and 60s. So you're actually more likely to meet somebody actually from Italy in Burnaby than you are in Brooklyn where they're mostly 3rd, 4th and 5th generation Americans.
Wrong. Italian immigration to NYC stopped around 1980. The Brooklyn and Staten Island and Bronx Italian neighborhoods are all Sicilians and Calabrians who arrived in the 1960's and 1970's.

The stereotypically most Italian neighborhood in Brooklyn, Bensonhurst, was actually almost all Jewish until about 1970. It didn't become Italian until the great waves of migration ended around 1980. Same goes for the most Italian neighborhood in the Bronx, Morris Park. In these neighborhoods, all the social clubs, coffeehouses, bakeries and the like reference the small towns in Sicily and Calabria that fed the later migration. Many of the stores have "Si parla Italiano" and you will hear Italian and especially Sicilian dialects every day, just by walking down the street.

Italians who arrived 100 years ago don't live in NYC, and are scattered about the U.S. They have nothing to do with present Italian culture in NYC. They are fully integrated into American society.

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For example, the so-called "Italians" of New York mocked Mayor Bill de Blasio for eating pizza with a knife and fork, even though it's the way pizza is eaten in Italy. This wouldn't happen in Vancouver because Italians there are actually connected to their roots.
That makes no sense whatsoever, and you're wrong about Italy.

If you go to Naples, home of pizza, people use their hands to eat pizza. They don't use a fork and knife. In Rome, the same is true. In fact, I don't know how one could even use a fork and knife to eat Roman-style pizza, as it's so thin and crackly, and they don't give you silverware.

I have seen people frequently use a fork and knife in Northern Italy, but that's not where pizza is from. Milan has as much to do with pizza as Stockholm.

DeBlasio was mocked because in NYC you don't eat pizza with a fork and knife. It has nothing to do with "being Italian", it's because DeBlasio is not from NYC and in NYC you eat street pizza with your hands (and NYC street pizza has nothing to do with Neapolitan pizza, or Roman pizza, but you are totally lost on this thread anyways, so what's the point of explaining).
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Old 04-18-2015, 10:44 AM
 
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New York may be more famous for its Italians, but "New York Italians" are for the most part very Americanized and would stand out in Italy. In America, the melting pot ideology prevails. Cheesesteaks and saying "capiche" does not a real Italian make. So while it has more people of Italian descent, Vancouver probably has more people who can actually speak Italian. People in Italy know the difference.

Go to Burnaby Heights or Commercial Drive, and you'll hear lots of Italian on the street and RAI broadcasting at Italian establishments.
Guess I need to check out Vancouver more, never got the Italian feel that I do in places like NYC and Philly

I am a second generation Italian, and hear Italian spoken pretty regularly in my current neighborhood

I also dont agree with the stereotype you call out, there are many Italian traditions still present where I live

Still have family in Italy and they know NYC and Philly very well, not sure on Vancouver as I said I have little experience there But is a beautiful area and enjoyed my limited time there very much

Just got back from morning shopping at the Italian market
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Old 04-18-2015, 12:11 PM
 
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Is this a joke?

Metro Vancouver has 76,000 people reporting Italian ancestry and 75% were born in Canada while some report multiple ethnicities.

Nearly 700,000 people in just the city of New York report Italian ancestry and 50,000 were born in Italy. That doesn't even factor in that the New York Metro all the way through to New Jersey and Philly metro and Connecticut/Rhode Island and the Boston metro are all heavily Italian.
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Old 04-18-2015, 12:20 PM
 
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LOL. Even to this day, NYC gets more Italian immigrants every year than Vancouver does.

NYC gained 500,000+ international immigrants in the past 4 years alone. That's more international newcomers in a few years the total amount of people who currently live in Vancouver. Something tells me there are some Italians in that 500,000 number.
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