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Old 04-22-2015, 01:13 PM
 
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
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"Phillies" is a MLB baseball team, btw.
Correction to post below �� word "Phillies" to "Philly's"
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No one calls Phillies many tight Rows a green tree-lined city. It surely has planted trees in gentrified neighborhoods and it had green in its Colonial areas as Society Hill William Penn may have known? But Philly did not see green frontage and nice back yards for the masses was warranted till the 20th century had tree and green frontage neighborhoods become more standard again.

Too many do look like this in Philly
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9880...m3!1e1!3m1!2e0

Some do have trees, especially 20th century neighborhoods
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9874...7xqWhCdEwg!2e0
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Old 04-22-2015, 01:31 PM
 
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
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It's not about Chicago falling behind but more of Philly doing well. After reading all these pages it's clearly obvious that some can't give Philly credit for anything. I wish more people realized that Philly has changed a lot since the 1970's. smh
Some people did say it was???? �� So my defense mode turned on for the thread. I certainly agree Philly is doing well today. As virtually all Northern Big cities are. Philly doing better then some others.
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Chicago falling further and further behind in just every metric these days.
Congrats, Philly!
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Old 04-22-2015, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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Some of those areas are part of downtown though. The tenderloin and southern parts of Chinatown and Nob Hill are very much "downtown" if you ask me, and I'm a lifelong SF resident. Most people I know seem to agree.



Except some of those areas actually are part of downtown SF (southern Chinatown and Nob Hill + Tenderloin).

This is definitely all downtown (and within the 2 square mile area of downtown SF, not some huge 8 square mile area like "greater" central city):

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7942...zP-jUPf8cA!2e0
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7846..._53YPdliWw!2e0
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7918...VcPfFjeAOg!2e0
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7837...TRPc5w79cg!2e0
My point is that just because Philly's downtown is larger than SF's downtown, doesn't mean that you have to expand SF's downtown area just to make it the same size as Philly. Downtown area sizes are not created equal just as city land sizes are not created equal. Some cities can annex more land while other cities can't. Philly expanded its downtown area boundaries while other cities can't. Whether or not you think it's fair is irrelevant because Philly's downtown area is still larger than Chicago. Putting up maps of downtown SF isn't going to change that fact.

Fact #1: Center City is more populated than the Chicago Loop.

Fact #2: Downtown Philadelphia(Greater Center City) is more populated than Downtown Chicago(Chicago Loop, Near North Side, Near South Side).

Can't argue with the facts.
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Old 04-22-2015, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Isn't the report you're citing also mentioning "extended" downtown as in downtown then plus some area? If that's the case, shouldn't you be using "extended" downtowns for all other cities as well?
Keep in mind Philly is still going to rank very high as University City is not included in the downtown stats. University city+ Center City are connected and seamless, absolutely should be considered part of downtown Philly.

50,000 residents, 50,000 students and close to 100,000 jobs. 82% of the construction in the entire region is happening in University City right now.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S4CqfHctlr...Picture+15.png

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Old 04-22-2015, 01:44 PM
 
Location: The City
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These are the data:

Commercial Downtown Population Within Half Mile Population Within One Mile
Employment Node 2010
Population
2000-2010
% Change
2010
Population
2000-2010
% Change
2010
Population
2000-2010
% Change
Midtown Manhattan, NY 78,579 12.5% 378,553 6.7% 586,652 8.9%
Downtown Manhattan, NY 65,714 64.8% 148,396 15.6% 173,179 13.1%
Center City - Philadelphia, PA 57,239 16.3% 107,853 16.2% 170,467 8.9%
Downtown Chicago, IL 53,832 95.6% 101,885 45.5% 144,051 46.0%
Downtown San Francisco, CA 52,008 15.7% 117,312 14.6% 134,312 13.9%
Downtown Seattle, WA 42,423 25.4% 86,427 15.5% 119,590 13.3%

the report is here - none of this is really DT - its the DT plus an extended 1 mile buffer on a radius

Defining Downtown » Read the Report

Note Boston excluded their data - all the others were provided by their respective cities
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Old 04-22-2015, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Chicago (from pittsburgh)
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Fact #1: Center City is more populated than the Chicago Loop.

Fact #2: Downtown Philadelphia(Greater Center City) is more populated than Downtown Chicago(Chicago Loop, Near North Side, Near South Side).

Can't argue with the facts.
It's neat that you are so enthralled that on a piece of arbitrary paper, "Greater" Center City is more populated than "Downtown" Chicago. I see you keep editing "larger" to "more populated" because you realized how ridiculous it sounds otherwise. The fact that "Greater Center City" is more populated than "Downtown Chicago" is nothing new, and if you knew anything about Chicago, you'd know that it is on a different scale above Philly when it comes to Downtown office space, high rises, hotels, retail, and entertainment spaces, etc...those things take up potential residential space.Center City has always had a strong residential component to it. Why are you acting like this is some revelation? I dare anyone to go to, look at, or live in both downtown Chicago and downtown Philly and say which one feels bigger. If you think they'd say Philly, you are brainwashed.

This mostly focuses on Downtown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFqYfZk4ELU


Couldn't find as many of Philly that focused mainly on downtown. This videos is more drawn out but some CC samples are shown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u0-JGXaGq4


Both beautiful cities and cool videos, btw.
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Old 04-22-2015, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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It's neat that you are so enthralled that on a piece of arbitrary paper, "Greater" Center City is more populated than "Downtown" Chicago.
Dont get too worked up, falling into the trap.
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Old 04-22-2015, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Chicago (from pittsburgh)
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Old 04-22-2015, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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It's neat that you are so enthralled that on a piece of arbitrary paper, "Greater" Center City is more populated than "Downtown" Chicago. I see you keep editing "larger" to "more populated" because you realized how ridiculous it sounds otherwise.
I only did that so people wouldn't be confused between land area and population, as using the word "larger" can imply both meanings.

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The fact that "Greater Center City" is more populated than "Downtown Chicago" is nothing new, and if you knew anything about Chicago, you'd know that it is on a different scale above Philly when it comes to Downtown office space, high rises, hotels, retail, and entertainment spaces, etc...those things take up potential residential space. Center City has always had a strong residential component to it. Why are you acting like this is some revelation? I dare anyone to go to, look at, or live in both downtown Chicago and downtown Philly and say which one feels bigger. If you think they'd say Philly, you are brainwashed.
My thread isn't about which city has the better downtown. I'm just talking about population. Deciding which downtown is better is more subjective than fact. Some people prefer Philly while others may Chicago.
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Old 04-22-2015, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Chicago (from pittsburgh)
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I only did that so people wouldn't be confused between land area and population, as using the word "larger" can imply both meanings.



My thread isn't about which city has the better downtown. I'm just talking about population. Deciding which downtown is better is more subjective than fact. Some people prefer Philly while others may prefer Chicago.
You sure didn't make that too obvious before you edited your posts to say "higher population" instead of "larger" (see thread title). Larger can mean a whole lot of things.
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