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Old 06-26-2017, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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As noted over two years ago now, it seemed as if the original post was a misinterpretation of an already-known statistic to make something seem new and/or noteworthy:

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Originally Posted by Chicago60614 View Post
I thought everyone has always said Philadelphia historically always had the 2nd highest downtown population, and in the last 10 years or so Chicago was creeping up on it with it's explosion in housing downtown?

Where is this thread coming from? Where do those links even say it surpassed Chicago? Hadn't it always been ahead???

Chicago's downtown hasn't had any large residetial population since the 1920's. It's mostly offices that employ 550,000 people and then hotels and retail.

Loop:
1980: 6,462
1990: 11,954
2000: 16,244
2010: 29,283

South Loop:
1980: 7,243
1990: 6,828
2000: 9,653
2010: 21,390

Near North:
1980: 67,167
1990: 62,842
2000: 72,903
2010: 80,484

Total:
1980: 80,872
1990: 81,624
2000: 118,800
2010: 131,157
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Originally Posted by PerseusVeil View Post
Haven't we known this for awhile? When the Census Bureau came out with the figures of populations 2 miles from city hall, Philly had more people then as well.

Chicago
2000: 133,426
2010: 181,714

Philadelphia
2000: 214,760
2010: 235,529

Chicago's downtown saw the largest increase both in terms of raw numbers and its general percentage of any "downtown" in the country, but, using the 2 mile radius, it remained smaller than NYC, SF, and Philly in terms of people, even if it is growing faster.
https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/...c2010sr-01.pdf
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:31 PM
 
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It's nonsense because Philly surpass Chicago in a population statistic?? Was it nonsense when Chicago moved ahead of Philly in population in 1890? Things change and time moves on. It's a fact that Philadelphia now has pass Chicago to become the 2nd largest downtown population in the US. Our downtown population is growing faster than Chicago. There is no need to feel bitter over Philly's success. Chicago is still a great city but now its downtown population has drop to 3rd.
Because Philadelphia increased the footprint of their downtown.They made the area larger, hence, more people. It's not more people, it's a larger area. There, I said it three different ways.
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:43 PM
 
Location: So California
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It's nonsense because Philly surpass Chicago in a population statistic?? Was it nonsense when Chicago moved ahead of Philly in population in 1890? Things change and time moves on. It's a fact that Philadelphia now has pass Chicago to become the 2nd largest downtown population in the US. Our downtown population is growing faster than Chicago. There is no need to feel bitter over Philly's success. Chicago is still a great city but now its downtown population has drop to 3rd.


So you don't think the title of the thread is deceptive and nonsense!?




Philadelphia surpasses Chicago as the 2nd largest downtown in the US! (nonsense)
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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Because Philadelphia increased the footprint of their downtown.They made the area larger, hence, more people. It's not more people, it's a larger area. There, I said it three different ways.
Philly's is more populated using multiple metrics. I already shown that in previous posts since the thread creation. Just give Philly its props. No need to hate on our great city.
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:50 PM
 
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How is anyone saying Philly has a better downtown in any way than Chicago? The fact is Philly's downtown is less than half the size as far as buildings so it has more "neighborhoody" districts whereas Chicago's loop is more office focused.

Center city is impressive but saying it outperforms the Loop is a stretch. Compare Chicago at a 5 mile radius from city hall vs Philly at a 5 mile radius from city hall and see that the Chi wins easily.
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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So you don't think the title of the thread is deceptive and nonsense!?




Philadelphia surpasses Chicago as the 2nd largest downtown in the US! (nonsense)
It's only nonsense to those who are bitter that Philly's downtown is more populated.

I know Chicago is so beloved on this sub-forum but some of these Chicago boosters can't accept reality.
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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How is anyone saying Philly has a better downtown in any way than Chicago?
Aside from Chicago's high number of high-rises and office space, downtown Philly matches up very well against downtown Chicago.

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Center city is impressive but saying it outperforms the Loop is a stretch. Compare Chicago at a 5 mile radius from city hall vs Philly at a 5 mile radius from city hall and see that the Chi wins easily.
Philly probably wins at a 50-60 mile radius from city hall against Chicago. Fair enough?

Last edited by gwillyfromphilly; 06-26-2017 at 03:10 PM..
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Old 06-26-2017, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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Originally Posted by Chicago60614 View Post
I thought everyone has always said Philadelphia historically always had the 2nd highest downtown population, and in the last 10 years or so Chicago was creeping up on it with it's explosion in housing downtown?

Where is this thread coming from? Where do those links even say it surpassed Chicago? Hadn't it always been ahead???

Chicago's downtown hasn't had any large residetial population since the 1920's. It's mostly offices that employ 550,000 people and then hotels and retail.

Loop:
1980: 6,462
1990: 11,954
2000: 16,244
2010: 29,283

South Loop:
1980: 7,243
1990: 6,828
2000: 9,653
2010: 21,390

Near North:
1980: 67,167
1990: 62,842
2000: 72,903
2010: 80,484

Total:
1980: 80,872
1990: 81,624
2000: 118,800
2010: 131,157
Your stats are kinda misleading. The Greater Center City area wasn't as large in the past as it is today when it comes to land area. The CBD and Greater CC population were virtually the same back then.
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Old 06-26-2017, 03:09 PM
 
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So you don't think the title of the thread is deceptive and nonsense!?




Philadelphia surpasses Chicago as the 2nd largest downtown in the US! (nonsense)
Yep, complete nonsense.
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Old 06-26-2017, 09:54 PM
 
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Wow, I feel bad I contributed to this thread. Yes we took a full day to walk from south Philly to Germantown. Not all bad, some shady areas. We biked as well so that helped.

Getting back to Chicago only CD people would think Philly architecture or downtown is larger than Chicago.

I say this complimentary, Philly feels like a big town, not a fast paced city.
NYC and to me DC is the most fast paced cities in the u.s. DC with its crazy layout and during traffic times is nuts. Chicago is much slower and to me better. Didn't know fast paced= better. Just means a faster pace.

Philly was great, but as a city only people on this forum would consider its downtown nicer or larger than Chicago. More dense streets and no alleys, yes. But who cares?

Oh well, enjoy summer everyone!
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