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View Poll Results: What city/metro would you rather live in?
MSP 60 60.00%
PDX 40 40.00%
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Old 05-01-2015, 12:31 PM
 
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I really don't see why liberals are obsessed with 'diversity'
it's basically just an obsession about Race

OMG that place is terrible because the black population there is so low..........give it a break folks

stop putting labels on skin colour
I'm all for dropping labels - believe me.
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Old 05-01-2015, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Midtown-Phillips Minneapolis is more diverse than anywhere in the entire state of Oregon unless I am very much mistaken.

That said..

1) Affordability and opportunity to make money: MSP
2) Parks, natural beauty, and ecological awareness MSP for parks, PDX for natural beauty and ecological awareness.
3) Climate: PDX
4) Hospitality/friendliness: Tie
5) Public transit and safety net: Tie - PDX has better LRT and streetcars but MSP has better buses and more viable transit modes overall.
6) Downtown area: Don't know enough about PDX's downtown to make a call.
7) Nightlife and fun-ness: MSP by little bit

Arts: MSP
Sports: MSP
Diversity: MSP
Music: MSP
Walkability: PDX
Bikability: MSP (don't hurt me, it's just that PDX lacks off-street trails and MSP is full of them)

^And these are really the reasons that Minneapolis comes out a notch above Portland.
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Old 05-01-2015, 12:33 PM
 
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I'm all for dropping labels - believe me.

Then why do you care about Diversity ?
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Old 05-01-2015, 12:44 PM
 
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Then why do you care about Diversity ?
I responded to your post. I didn't mention diversity in my previous posts.
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Old 05-01-2015, 01:00 PM
 
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1) Affordability and opportunity to make money-- MPLS hands down, lower COL and a stronger economy
2) Parks, natural beauty, and ecological awareness--PDX hands down
3) Climate--PDX
4) Hospitality/friendliness--Tie (people are nicer in MPLS, but it's easier to make friends in PDX)
5) Public transit--PDX by a hair, but MPLS is improving
6) Downtown area--MPLS by far
7) Nightlife and fun-ness--MPLS by a hair. MPLS has better dive bars, sports bars, college bars, and dance clubs. PDX for strip clubs (one of the few cities that mix beaver and booze). They're tied for cocktail lounges, music, late-night dining (neither are great), and late-night coffee shops (both are great).

Overall, I'd go Minneapolis. It really is the best bang-for-your-buck in the country.
No way does Minneapolis have better dive bars than Portland. Better dance clubs, sports bars, and college bars - yes. But Portland destroys Minneapolis when it comes to dive bars. There are are dive bars everywhere throughout Portland (the quantity of dive bars in Portland is astounding) and it's the underlying fabric of Portland's drinking culture.

So the areas where Portland clearly wins in terms of nightlife are brewpubs/beer bars, dive bars,strip clubs, and I'd give it the edge in cocktail lounges. Minneapolis clearly wins in terms of sports bars, college bars, dance clubs, and I'd give it the edge in music. One other advantage Minneapolis has is - although Portland has a much higher quantity of bars overall - Minneapolis has more vibrant and notable concentrations or "nightlife nodes". Portland has bars pretty evenly spread throughout the city - it can feel like one on every block - but it doesn't build much of a critical mass, if that makes sense.
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Old 05-01-2015, 01:04 PM
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Location: Bel Air, California
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LOL... Seattle's little brother lashing out at the Midwest
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Old 05-01-2015, 01:06 PM
 
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I wonder how PDF is defining urban. Going by population density, it's not even close:

Minneapolis:7,287 people per square mile
Portland: 4,375 people per square mile.

To be fair, Portland does have Forest Park, which is massive (5,170 acres). So, I crunched some numbers, and even if you were remove Forest Park from Portland, the city's density would only tic up to 4,451 people per square mile.

However, there are other factors that might give a city with less density a more urban feel. I'm not sure what those are.
Portland's Downtown has a more pedestrian-friendly scale and layout - and is more compact and easier to hop around the different areas. It's a better downtown for strolling around and stopping at shops, bars, bookstores, etc. Minneapolis' Downtown absolutely has more of a big city feel and edge, though, and is more vibrant and bustling.

I'd be interested to compare the densities in Downtown Portland (Including SW and most of NW) and Downtown Minneapolis using the standard and obvious boundaries.
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Old 05-01-2015, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Auburn, New York
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I really don't see why liberals are obsessed with 'diversity'
it's basically just an obsession about Race

OMG that place is terrible because the black population there is so low..........give it a break folks

stop putting labels on skin colour
1) You're the one who keeps bring up race. Both on this thread and other threads as well. You're the one who started a therad about the whitest metropolitan areas. You're the one who posted a picture (I'm assuming of yourself) and made people guess where you're from based on your phenotype. You're the one who seems to be obsessed with race, and to that end, I'm suspect you're bating a fight about race now.

2) Diversity is not all about race. It's about national origin, religion, sexuality, social class, political ideology, education, economy, industry, etc. Hence my argument that Minneapolis is more diverse than Baltimore despite being much whiter than Baltimore. Everone knows this. Yet--again--you're making this about race.

3) The white population in Minneapolis is more diverse than the white population in Cincinnati. Cincinnati is a German town, with a small number of Irish and Scots-Irish scattered about. Minneapolis has Scandinavians and Germans as you pointed out, but also a huge Eastern European population in Nordeast. There are also a signicant number of Irish American in Minneapolis and French Canadians too.
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Old 05-01-2015, 01:51 PM
 
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Are strip clubs considered a good thing? I think they're repulsive and trashy.
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Old 05-01-2015, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Are strip clubs considered a good thing? I think they're repulsive and trashy.
Strip clubs are beacons for the scum of society. A place for the sexually desperate to spend their money on unattractive, plastic bimbos.
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