U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 05-08-2015, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Peterborough, Ontario
98 posts, read 96,051 times
Reputation: 99

Advertisements

The point is that this is a poll of *World* youth, not American youth. Atlanta might seem like an alright destination for youth within the context of the United States, but in the wider context it should be clear that Mexico City (the biggest city in North America!) would be a far more attractive option.

Someone looking at it from the US might (erroneously) believe that Mexico City is unsafe and avoid it, but someone looking at the DF from elsewhere in Mexico, or somewhere in Central America would not see it that way. They'd a much more accurate picture of Mexico City, and it's very doubtful they'd even be aware that Atlanta exists. (Atlanta's murder rate was close to double Mexico City's in 2009 by the way)

Atlanta is a nice city, but it doesn't make sense in this conversation.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-08-2015, 10:45 PM
Status: "Ready for Fall" (set 24 days ago)
 
Location: Atlanta
4,647 posts, read 3,018,670 times
Reputation: 3867
Quote:
Originally Posted by n3wt View Post
Someone looking at it from the US might (erroneously) believe that Mexico City is unsafe and avoid it, but someone looking at the DF from elsewhere in Mexico, or somewhere in Central America would not see it that way. They'd a much more accurate picture of Mexico City, and it's very doubtful they'd even be aware that Atlanta exists.
They know it exists. Practically all of the major Mexican and Central American cities have nonstop flights to Atlanta. You are really underestimating the place, never mind the results of this survey.

And I would like to see proof of the 2009 murder claim.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-08-2015, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Peterborough, Ontario
98 posts, read 96,051 times
Reputation: 99
Quote:
Originally Posted by JMatl View Post
They know it exists. Practically all of the major Mexican and Central American cities have nonstop flights to Atlanta. You are really underestimating the place, never mind the results of this survey.

And I would like to see proof of the 2009 murder claim.
Crime in Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mexico City's murder rate for 2009 was 8.4 per 100,000. Atlanta's was 14.8 per 100,000.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-08-2015, 10:57 PM
 
Location: 98004 / 30327
555 posts, read 452,705 times
Reputation: 880
Quote:
Originally Posted by n3wt View Post
Crime in Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mexico City's murder rate for 2009 was 8.4 per 100,000. Atlanta's was 14.8 per 100,000.
NO. IT WAS NOT. Mexico City's murder rate was closer to 49 per 100,000. I can explain this statistic further if you'd like. DF has taken their 4,308 murders in their city proper and stretched them across the 25 million person metropolitan area. If you wanna talk about homicides in a metro area, Atlanta's murders are between 5.9 and 6.1 per 100,000 people during 2009-2012.

Apples to oranges. Or peaches to avocados, friend. Again, if you'd like to dig into this with me, it would be my pleasure. Here is my previous post on the matter from this same thread (I broke it down thusly):

You may be right about the air quality but DF is more dangerous than pretty much any US city. Let's take murder for instance.

DF has a population of 8,851,080 people. While it's tough finding reliable data on homicides in DF, I did find this article:

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2012/0...ring-last.html

Borderland Beat: There were 83,000 murders during the last six years

QUOTE from the article:

The Distrito Federal reported 4,308 homicides. 3,731 victims were men, 576 were women. The jurisdictions with the highest murder rates were Iztapalapa, with 1,013; Gustavo A. Madero, with 681, and Cuauhtemoc, with 398.

Those numbers are from 2012 and the population estimates I'm about to use are from 2010. So it's not perfect but close enough.

4,308 homicides out of a population of 8,851,080 people yields a per capita murder rate of 48.67 per 100,000 residents. I won't round up to 49.

So, that's 48 murders per 100,000 residents.

That is slightly higher than Detroit, according to the FBI:

These Are The Major U.S. Cities With The Highest Murder Rates, According To The FBI:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_6145404.html

QUOTE from the article:

In 2013, the Michigan city recorded 316 murders (which includes non-negligent manslaughter), or 45 per 100,000 people. That's 10 times the national average and the highest of all large U.S. cities. Detroit also notched 14,500 violent crimes, or 2,070 per 100,000 people.

I understand these numbers can fluctuate year-to-year and it's entirely possible that Mexico City's murder rate has dipped below 48 per 100,000. But, my point still stands. I compared D.F. - one of the safer regions of Mexico, btw - to the absolute deadliest city in the United States. And D.F., so far as murder is concerned, is even more dangerous.

Last edited by paris-on-ponce; 05-09-2015 at 12:04 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-08-2015, 11:43 PM
Status: "Ready for Fall" (set 24 days ago)
 
Location: Atlanta
4,647 posts, read 3,018,670 times
Reputation: 3867
Sorry I can't rep you, paris-on-ponce!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-08-2015, 11:46 PM
 
Location: 98004 / 30327
555 posts, read 452,705 times
Reputation: 880
Quote:
Originally Posted by JMatl View Post
Sorry I can't rep you, paris-on-ponce!
No worries!

Go Hawks!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-08-2015, 11:49 PM
Status: "Ready for Fall" (set 24 days ago)
 
Location: Atlanta
4,647 posts, read 3,018,670 times
Reputation: 3867
Quote:
Originally Posted by paris-on-ponce View Post
No worries!

Go Hawks!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-09-2015, 12:29 AM
 
1,307 posts, read 2,067,120 times
Reputation: 2726
Despite Violence In Parts Of Mexico, Mexico City Remains Safe For Americans - Forbes

The 2014 stats suggest that the murder rate in Mexico City is less than half what the spurious research claims above. It is about the same as Philadelphia's.

Only American provincialism (a combination of racism and ignorance) could claim that Atlanta (a perfectly fine city on its own terms) is in the same league as Mexico City.

People vote with their feet. Mexico City has BY FAR the largest expat U.S. community in the world. Some 600,000 Americans choose to live in Mexico City. London with just under 200,000 is a very distant second.

https://www.overseasvotefoundation.o...s%20abroad.pdf

While I have never lived in either place, I have spent some time in both Atlanta and Mexico City, and in terms of vibrancy, urbanity, food, architecture, museums, outdoor recreation, nightlife, festivals, public transportation, amenities, any of the civic metrics that I find meaningful, compared to Mexico City, Atlanta is a one horse town!

That is not a slam on Atlanta. There is no other city in North America besides Mexico City that has been a global center of power, commerce, arts and culture for 800 years. NYC is the only city that is decidedly better than D.F. in North America.

While the Canadian bias in the original list is obvious, young Canadians clearly have a better sense of top twenty world cities than some posters on this thread. Atlanta is definitely a top 20 U.S. city, maybe even a top ten, but by nearly every objective metric: population, GDP and many more subjective ones - history, culture, environment, Mexico City is easily one of the twenty greatest cities in the world. Atlanta is not in the same league!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-09-2015, 12:39 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NYC
1,397 posts, read 1,995,461 times
Reputation: 854
Quote:
Originally Posted by afonega1 View Post
I did not "act" like anything.Obviously you dont really understand Atlanta role in history to have made that comment.
The fact that people may or may not associate it with the Civil War is not relevant as it is a fact.Just because people do not know or remember is irrelevant.Many people dont know Atlanta had the Olympics until you mention it also.

What an unusual assumption that it would have to be an inspiring Olympian from China or Germany are the only people that would be interested in the role Atlanta had because of the Olympics.

What about a history buff?A person into hip hop?Or a Gone With The Wind fan?There are many things that people may find interesting that some cities would appeal to some more than others. Simply assinine to act like thats not the case.

I have met people from Denmark,Belgium,France etc that come here because they like hip hop artist from Atlanta.

I have also met people who come to Atlanta because of the its connection to Southern culture like Gone With The Wind.
Lately with younger people,I meet people coming for the different music festivals like Tomorrowworld and Shaky Knees Festivals.

via Frat Music Blog
TomorrowWorld 2014 Preview | FratMusic | The Blog

As far as the war not only happening in the entir South,is a stupid comment because Atlanta is the ONLY AMerican city in the U.S to have been destroyed by war.This distinction makes it unique.If someone burns 10 houses down,You are only concerned with yours,not others as much.

The Battle of Atlanta was a very important event on a national scale that helped change the course of history.


The fall of Atlanta was especially noteworthy for its political ramifications. In the 1864 election, former Union general George B. McClellan, a Democrat, ran against President Lincoln, on a peace platform calling for a truce with the Confederacy. The capture of Atlanta and Hood's burning of military facilities as he evacuated, were extensively covered by Northern newspapers, significantly boosting Northern morale, and Lincoln was reelected by a large margin.
Battle of Atlanta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sure it was an American War but the world was watching because it was AMERICA.The American Civil war fascinates people.Maybe because you are in NYC you dont hear this but I do all the time
All of this for a miscalculation of hotel rooms in Atlanta. I can't. I've never downplayed Atlanta as a city. It's a nice domestic US city. /thread

BTW: Last year I was extremely pissed I didn't get to go to TomorrowWorld as planned! Tiesto, Kaskade and Zedd were headliners I definitely wanted to see. I may go for this year in Sept not sure yet.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-09-2015, 01:03 AM
 
Location: 98004 / 30327
555 posts, read 452,705 times
Reputation: 880
Quote:
Originally Posted by homeinatx View Post
Despite Violence In Parts Of Mexico, Mexico City Remains Safe For Americans - Forbes

The 2014 stats suggest that the murder rate in Mexico City is less than half what the spurious research claims above. It is about the same as Philadelphia's.

Only American provincialism (a combination of racism and ignorance) could claim that Atlanta (a perfectly fine city on its own terms) is in the same league as Mexico City.

People vote with their feet. Mexico City has BY FAR the largest expat U.S. community in the world. Some 600,000 Americans choose to live in Mexico City. London with just under 200,000 is a very distant second.

https://www.overseasvotefoundation.o...s%20abroad.pdf

While I have never lived in either place, I have spent some time in both Atlanta and Mexico City, and in terms of vibrancy, urbanity, food, architecture, museums, outdoor recreation, nightlife, festivals, public transportation, amenities, any of the civic metrics that I find meaningful, compared to Mexico City, Atlanta is a one horse town!

That is not a slam on Atlanta. There is no other city in North America besides Mexico City that has been a global center of power, commerce, arts and culture for 800 years. NYC is the only city that is decidedly better than D.F. in North America.

While the Canadian bias in the original list is obvious, young Canadians clearly have a better sense of top twenty world cities than some posters on this thread. Atlanta is definitely a top 20 U.S. city, maybe even a top ten, but by nearly every objective metric: population, GDP and many more subjective ones - history, culture, environment, Mexico City is easily one of the twenty greatest cities in the world. Atlanta is not in the same league!
So...? Some 5 million Americans choose to live in Atlanta. And some 600,000 Hispanics (mostly Mexican) choose to live in Atlanta alone. Think about that. Atlanta has fewer Mexicans than LA, Houston, Dallas, San Francisco, San Diego, etc. And yet, it has nearly as many Mexican transplants as Mexico City has American transplants. Point of fact, Mexico is the only democracy on Earth that people flee from. Mexico is the only democracy on planet Earth where human beings risk life and limb on a daily basis to get out of.

Atlanta has almost as many Mexican immigrants as Mexico City has American immigrants, despite the following:

1.) Mexico City is 5x larger than Atlanta
2.) The US is almost 3x larger than Mexico

..........

Finally, here is a list of places I'd rather live the rest of my life in than Mexico City:
1.) Everywhere.

Last edited by paris-on-ponce; 05-09-2015 at 01:19 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top