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View Poll Results: Your favorite of the three?
Atlanta 46 38.33%
Miami 31 25.83%
Mexico City 43 35.83%
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Old 05-22-2015, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Miami Beach, FL/Tokyo, Japan
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Atlanta is simply not well connected to Europe, my parent's are European, I have property all over Europe, every year I spend months in various European countries, I speak several European languages other than English.

Not to mention I live in Miami Beach and lived in Atlanta (2 months in corporate apartments, but still), and Atlanta posters know it. This is boosterism. Asia and Africa are even farther down the pipeline.

 
Old 05-22-2015, 03:03 PM
 
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Not a significant difference? I'm no Miami homer/booster but I'll have to admit that outside of New York, Miami has the most European airlines of any U.S. Airport. The number of Euro carriers in Miami is more than the entire amount of foreign airlines in ATL. And I didn't even mention Latin/SA carriers. Atlanta's international service from foreign metal is pathetic for a metro its size
As mentioned, ATL is a massive fortress hub for Delta and as a result, Sky Team as well. You can look across the country and see multiple airports that are in a similar situation.


Miami is massive to Europe, probably one of the top 5 markets in the US. It has a good mix of business and leaisure. It's also worth noting that a few of Miami's European airlines that are towards and revolve around tourists heading to South Florida - Air Europa, XL Airways, Thomas Cook, Arkefly and Jetairfly. Finnair is seasonal during the winter to take advantage of the warmer winter months in South Florida.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Miami/ Washington DC
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It's a fortress SkyTeam hub. What part of that do you not understand? Service is what matters, and it is hardly pathetic at all.
Miami is a fortress OneWorld Hub..
 
Old 05-22-2015, 03:10 PM
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Location: Atlanta
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Atlanta is simply not well connected to Europe, my parent's are European, I have property all over Europe, every year I spend months in various European countries, I speak several European languages other than English.

Not to mention I live in Miami Beach and lived in Atlanta (2 months in corporate apartments, but still), and Atlanta posters know it. This is boosterism. Asia and Africa are even farther down the pipeline.
No, it is not boosterism.

What you are doing is presenting your opinion as fact.

Funny how Mercedes and Porsche chose Atlanta as their North American HQ's since we aren't connected to Europe.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 03:14 PM
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Location: Atlanta
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Miami is a fortress OneWorld Hub..
Yes, it is. At approximately half the size of Delta's ATL hub...

We also are not an international tourism destination like Miami. It still doesn't stop non-SkyTeam carriers like British Airways and Lufthansa from flying here.

And we have daily nonstop flights to Seoul and Tokyo, and one-stop thru-service to Sydney. Miami has none of this.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Miami/ Washington DC
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Yes, it is. At approximately half the size of Delta's ATL hub...

We also are not an international tourism destination like Miami. It still doesn't stop non-SkyTeam carriers like British Airways and Lufthansa from flying here.

And we have daily nonstop flights to Seoul and Tokyo, and one-stop thru-service to Sydney. Miami has none of this.
American's hub in Miami in terms of International passengers and number of international flights is bigger, we have been discussion international connectivity this whole time. Delta's domestic ops in ATL are massive unlike any other hub in the world. Yet, 56 other international airlines still fly to South Florida. 56. Not 8, not a few, 56.

Yes I am aware, like I said Atlanta has more connections to Asia than Miami. If it was not for the hub maybe it would just be one flight to Tokyo. I can easily fly to LA or Dallas and connect to a flight to Sydney, "one-stop."

In due time Miami will have its service to Tokyo. But for an ultra long haul there needs to be the right plane for the right market. American's 787 might do the trick, along with finally bringing back service to Johannesburg.

You point out something ATL has, and MIA does and I can point out something MIA has and ATL does not, (like 21 European Airlines)


My point is both cities are global cities, Miami actually has a measurable impact on a very large region of the world, while Atlanta does not. Can some on the Atlanta side agree to that?
 
Old 05-22-2015, 04:11 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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It's a fortress SkyTeam hub. What part of that do you not understand? Service is what matters, and it is hardly pathetic at all.
Global connectivity is a two way street. The presence of foreign carriers illustrates the draw your city has from abroad. As an example, SFO is a UA fortress hub for international flights but has a foreign competitor operating on the same route whether it's an alliance carrier or not, the same can be said of Miami. That is a indicater of true global connectivity of a said city. Delta in Atlanta on international flights fills up the planes out of ATL on connections and the % is so lopsided that it's laughable that Atlanta itself has much to do with that. Your airport is a Charlotte on steroids.

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Old 05-22-2015, 04:54 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Yes, it is. At approximately half the size of Delta's ATL hub...

We also are not an international tourism destination like Miami. It still doesn't stop non-SkyTeam carriers like British Airways and Lufthansa from flying here.

And we have daily nonstop flights to Seoul and Tokyo, and one-stop thru-service to Sydney. Miami has none of this.
Umm, BA and LH fly to just about any U.S. Metro with a population of over two million.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 05:01 PM
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Location: Atlanta
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Global connectivity is a two way street. The presence of foreign carriers illustrates the draw your city has from abroad. SFO is a UA fortress hub for international flights but has a foreign competitor operating on the same route whether it's an alliance carrier or not. That is a indicater of true global connectivity of a said city. Delta in Atlanta on international flights fills up the planes out of ATL on connections and the % is so lopsided that it's laughable that Atlanta itself has much to do with that. Your airport is a Charlotte on steroids.
The O & D figures for Atlanta are around 32-35%. Do the math.

What's really laughable is that the much larger and more prosperous Bay Area doesn't enjoy the nonstop destinations offered in the Caribbean, Central and South America that Atlanta takes for granted. Talk about pathetic.

Enjoy your United hub. Arguably the worst Airline of the surviving legacies, at constant war with its own employees. And it shows.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Operational Commercial Airports:
- Atlanta: [1]
1) Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport

- Miami: [3]
1) Miami International Airport; 2) Fort Lauderdale International Airport; 3) Palm Beach International Airport

- Mexico City: [3]
1) Mexico City International Airport; 2) Licenciado Adolfo López Mateos International Airport; 3) Querétaro Intercontinental Airport

Service Continents [6 Maximum: North America, South America, Asia, Africa, Europe, Oceania]:
Atlanta: [5]
1) North America; 2) South America; 3) Europe; 4) Asia; 5) Africa

Miami: [4]
1) North America; 2) South America; 3) Europe; 4) Asia

* Asia by way to Doha, Qatar and Istanbul, Turkey. Only a matter of time until Miami gets Tokyo as well.

Mexico City: [4]
1) North America; 2) South America; 3) Europe; 4) Asia

Foreign Flag Carriers:
Atlanta: [8]
1) Air Canada; 2) Air France; 3) British Airways; 4) KLM; 5) Korean Air; 6) Lufthansa; 7) Qatar Airways; 8) Virgin Atlantic.

Miami: [58]
1) Air Canada; 2) Bahamasair; 3) Air Transat; 4) Avianca; 5) Azul Brazilian Airlines; 6) CanJet; 7) Caribbean Airlines; 8) Condor; 9) Copa Airlines; 10) IBC Airways; 11) Norwegian Air Shuttle; 12) SkyBahamas Airlines; 13) Sunwing Airlines; 14) TAME; 15) Volaris; 16) WestJet; 17) Aeroflot; 18) Aerolíneas Argentinas; 19) Aeroméxico; 20) Air Berlin; 21) Air Europa; 22) Air France; 23) Alitalia; 24) Arkefly; 25) Aruba Airlines; 26) Austrian Airlines; 27) Avianca El Salvador; 28) Avianca Peru; 29) Avior Airlines; 30) Boliviana de Aviacion; 31) British Airways; 32) Canadian North; 33) Cayman Airways; 34) First Air; 35) Finnair; 36) GOL Airlines; 37) Iberia; 38) Insel Air; 39) Insel Air Aruba; 40) Interjet; 41) Jetairfly; 42) LAN Airlines; 43) LAN Argentina; 44) LAN Colombia; 45) LAN Ecuador; 46) LAN Perú; 47) Lufthansa; 48) Qatar Airways; 49) SBA Airlines; 50) Surinam Airways; 51) Swiss International Air Lines; 52) TAM Airlines; 53) TAP Portugal; 54) Thomas Cook Airlines; 55) Transaero Airlines; 56) Turkish Airlines; 57) Virgin Atlantic Airways; 58) XL Airways France.

Mexico City: [23]
1) Air Canada; 2) Air France; 3) Alaska Airlines; 4) American Airlines; 5) Avianca; 6) Avianca El Salvador; 7) Avianca Peru; 8) British Airways; 9) Copa Airlines; 10) Copa Airlines Colombia; 11) Cubana de Aviación; 12) Delta Air Lines; 13) Iberia; 14) JetBlue Airways; 15) KLM; 16) LAN; 17) LAN Peru; 18) Lufthansa; 19) Southwest Airlines; 20) TAM Airlines; 21) United Airlines; 22) U.S. Airways; 23) Spirit Airlines

Foreign Destinations:
Atlanta: [78]
1) Toronto; 2) Paris; 3) London; 4) Amsterdam; 5) Aruba; 6) Barbados; 7) Belize City; 8) Bermuda; 9) Bogotá; 10) Bonaire; 11) Brasilia; 12) Brussels; 13) Buenos Aires; 14) Cancún; 15) Caracas; 16) Cartagena; 17) Cozumel; 18) Dubai; 19) Düsseldorf; 20) Frankfurt; 21) Düsseldorf; 22) Grand Cayman; 23) Guadalajara; 24) Guatemala City; 25) Johannesburg; 26) Kingston; 27) Lagos; 28) Liberia (Costa Rica); 29) Lima; 30) Madrid; 31) Managua; 32) Medellín; 33) Medellín; 34) Mexico City; 35) Montego Bay; 36) Montreal; 37) Munich; 38) Nassau; 39) Panama City; 40) San Jose del Cabo; 41) Port–au-Prince; 42) Providenciales; 43) Puerto Vallarta; 44) Punta Cana; 45) Quito; 46) Rio de Janeiro; 47) Roatán; 48) Rome; 49) St. Lucia; 50) St. Maarten; 51) San Jose de Costa Rica; 52) San Pedro Sula; 53) San Salvador; 54) Santiago de Chile; 55) Santiago de los Caballeros; 56) Santo Domingo; 57) São Paulo; 58) Stuttgart; 59) Tegucigalpa; 60) Tokyo; 61) Antigua; 62) Barcelona; 63) Dublin; 64) Grenada; 65) Milan; 66) St. Kitts; 67) Vancouver; 68) Venice; 69) Zürich; 70) Havana; 71) Georgetown; 72) Leon; 73) Freeport; 74) Halifax; 75) Ottawa; 76) Seoul; 77) Doha; 78) Manchester (United Kingdom).

Miami: [121]
1) Moscow; 2) Cordoba; 3) Buenos Aires; 4) Cancun; 5) Mexico City; 6) Merida; 7) Monterrey; 8) Dusseldorf; 9) Toronto; 10) Montreal; 11) Madrid; 12) Paris; 13) Pointe-à-Pitre; 14) Port-au-Prince; 15) Rome; 16) Antigua; 17) Aruba; 18) Barbados; 19) Barcelona (Spain); 20) Barranquilla; 21) Belize City; 22) Belo Horizonte; 23) Bermuda; 24) Bogota; 25) Brasilia; 26) Cali; 27) Campinas; 28) Cap-Haitian; 29) Caracas; 30) Cozumel; 31) Curaçao; 32) Curitiba; 33) Fort-de-France; 34) Frankfurt; 35) Grand Cayman; 36) Grenada; 37) Guatemala City; 38) Guayaquil; 39) Kingston; 40) La Paz; 41) Liberia (Costa Rica); 42) Lima; 43) London; 44) Managua; 45) Manaus; 46) Maracaibo; 47) Medelin; 48) Milan; 49) Montego Bay; 50) Montevideo; 51) Panama City; 52) Porto Alegre; 53) Port of Spain; 54) Providenciales; 55) Puerto Plata; 56) Punta Cana; 57) Quito; 58) Recife; 59) Rio de Janeiro; 60) Roatan; 61) St. Kitts; 62) St. Lucia; 63) St. Maarten; 64) Salvador da Bahia; 65) San José (Costa Rica); 66) San Pedro Sula; 67) San Salvador; 68) Santa Cruz de la Sierra; 69) Santiago de Chile; 70) Santiago de los Caballeros; 71) Santo Domingo; 72) São Paulo; 73) Tegucigalpa; 74) Camagüey; 75) Havana; 76) Santa Clara (Cuba); 77) Santiago de Cuba; 78) Freeport; 79) Georgetown; 80) Nassau; 81) North Eleuthera; 82) San Salvador (Bahamas); 83) La Romana; 84) Cienfuegos; 85) Holguín; 86) Amsterdam; 87) Vienna; 88) Cartagena de Indias; 89) Barcelona (Venezuela); 90) Valencia (Venezuela); 91) Cochabamba; 92) Halifax; 93) Hamilton (Canada); 94) London (Canada); 95) Ottawa; 96) Quebec City; 97) Moncton; 98) Cayman Brac; 99) Helsinki; 100) Brussels; 101) Munich; 102) Doha; 103) Paramaribo; 104) Zürich; 105) Belém; 106) Fortaleza; 107) Lisbon; 108) Manchester (United Kingdom); 109) Istanbul; 110) Copenhagen; 111) Oslo; 112) Stockholm; 113) Marsh Harbour; 114) South Bimini; 115) Treasure Cay; 116) Governor's Harbour; 117) Aguadilla; 118) Armenia (Colombia); 119) Toluca; 120) Guadalajara; 121) Winnipeg.

Mexico City: [52]
1) Dallas/Fort Worth; 2) Houston; 3) Miami; 4) Chicago; 5) Fort Lauderdale; 6) Las Vegas; 7) Denver; 8) Los Angeles; 9) Oakland; 10) Orlando; 11) San Diego; 12) Phoenix; 13) Charlotte; 14) Washington, D.C.; 15) New York; 16) São Paulo; 17) San Antonio; 18) Orange County; 19) Frankfurt; 20) Munich; 21) Lima; 22) Santiago de Chile; 23) Amsterdam; 24) Bogotá; 25) Guatemala City; 26) Havana; 27) San José de Costa Rica; 28) Madrid; 29) Atlanta; 30) Detroit; 31) Salt Lake City; 32) Panama City; 33) London; 34) Lima; 35) San Salvador; 36) Paris; 37) Toronto; 38) Montreal; 39) Managua; 40) San Pedro Sula; 41) Fresno; 42) Vancouver; 43) Tokyo; 44) Shanghai; 45) San Francisco; 46) Sacramento; 47) Rio de Janeiro; 48) Quito; 49) Ontario (U.S.); 50) Caracas; 51) Buenos Aires; 52) Boston.

Resources:
Mexico City
1. Toluca International Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2. Querétaro International Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
3. Mexico City International Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Miami
1. Fort Lauderdale
2. Miami International Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
3. Palm Beach International Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Atlanta
1. Hartsfield

Additional
1. 12 months

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