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Atlanta has a larger Gross Domestic Product, for sure. Miami has the larger Total Personal Income though. I know Miami CSA is larger than Atlanta CSA on population by a bit but even on a per capita basis, Miami is a bit higher on Total Personal Income.
Total Personal Income, 2013
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Port St. Lucie, FL (Combined Statistical Area): $290.416 Billion
- Atlanta--Athens-Clarke County--Sandy Springs, GA (Combined Statistical Area): $249.270 Billion
Per Capita Total Personal Income, 2013
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Port St. Lucie, FL (Combined Statistical Area): $45,043
- Atlanta--Athens-Clarke County--Sandy Springs, GA (Combined Statistical Area): $40,452
Atlanta has a larger Gross Domestic Product, for sure. Miami has the larger Total Personal Income though. I know Miami CSA is larger than Atlanta CSA on population by a bit but even on a per capita basis, Miami is a bit higher on Total Personal Income.
Total Personal Income, 2013
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Port St. Lucie, FL (Combined Statistical Area): $290.416 Billion
- Atlanta--Athens-Clarke County--Sandy Springs, GA (Combined Statistical Area): $249.270 Billion
Per Capita Total Personal Income, 2013
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Port St. Lucie, FL (Combined Statistical Area): $45,043
- Atlanta--Athens-Clarke County--Sandy Springs, GA (Combined Statistical Area): $40,452
Bureau of Economic Analysis' most recently available data.
There is a very simple explanation for this.
We are not a haven for foreign individuals parking their wealth. But we still have a huge and functioning middle class, something that is shrinking daily in South Florida.
We are not a haven for foreign individuals parking their wealth. But we still have a huge and functioning middle class, something that is shrinking daily in South Florida.
It is what it is.
I understand, but Total Personal Income has its relevance. Usually sports leagues like NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL look only at Total Personal Income when gauging which markets to expand and/or relocate to, among the like. It is the reason that both Stern (formerly) and the guy in NHL, cant remember his name, have Seattle so high above everywhere else for potential expansion franchises. Luxury retail stores do the same as well, this is typically how they gauge if a market is sustainable enough to expand to or not.
Also I am not in any camp to marginalize Atlanta's airport. Truly, I appreciate what it offers. You have 77 foreign destinations and that is all I am looking at, I would rather have them than not.
I consider air route and service destinations a city amenity, for what it is worth, it is a top 5 amenity to me. I cant live without it, at least in a big city that is. As I would automatically eliminate any major metropolis (5 million + people) if its airport and total number of services were either limited or a joke (like being a CSA of 7 million and having only 5 foreign flag carriers, 37 total international destinations, and only 3 service continents - yes, a place like that actually exists in the United States!). That, to me, is absolutely pathetic for a massive place.
Again, I can appreciate Atlanta's airport offerings. I have to fly frequently as it is, sometimes for work and sometimes for personal reasons so I am a regular presidential lounger for United and American both (I have both memberships), so I love to take advantage of an airport and what it offers.
Last edited by Trafalgar Law; 05-24-2015 at 05:13 PM..
No I am aware that Mexico City does not suffer from crime as the other border states do.I still have a lot more confidence in the American police force than a Mexican one that routinely shakes people down for money.
If you are aware, then why are you so incredulous? Even the US state department, since we're placing much greater faith in the US government specifically lists Mexico City as having no travel advisories while the problematic northern Mexican states (because we love those drugs!) and the states that are major transshipment points previously mentioned have some pretty severe travel advisories. Certainly no one here can be blind to the fact that there are quite a few US cities that have what would be considered outrageous homicide rates for a developed country.
No I am aware that Mexico City does not suffer from crime as the other border states do.I still have a lot more confidence in the American police force than a Mexican one that routinely shakes people down for money.
You mean that same American police force that's been abusing their power on innocent people in Ferguson, Baltimore, New York, Detroit, Atlanta and other cities.
I travel to Mexico City every year to visit family and have never encountered any problems. Sure there is crime, violence and injustice - that's expected in a Latin American capital with 25 million residents in the metropolitan area. And as others have said, there is a heavy presence of security in DF compared to cities in Northern Mexico.
Yeah, I have thought much of the same, agree with you. Especially because much of the negative domestic migration that is out of Southeast Florida are those from other regions such as the Northeast or Midwest moving out and on to states like North Carolina or South Carolina - I think "halfbacks" they call themselves.
Here are Origin and Destination numbers from 2011 by Brookings Institution for these cities to give an idea of how many actual people travel to or from Miami annually, and where they either come from or go from here.
Origin & Destination Total Passenger Counts (above 100,000 minimum), 2011
Miami:
01. Toronto, Canada: 668,838
02. Caracas, Venezuela: 617,296
03. Nassau, Bahamas: 538,089
04. Buenos Aires, Argentina: 533,507
05. Montreal, Canada: 477,207 06. London, United Kingdom: 476,010 07. New York, United States: 475,176
08. Sao Paulo, Brazil: 456,244
09. Port-au-prince, Haiti: 445,348
10. Bogota, Colombia: 442,221
11. Mexico City, Mexico: 417,507
12. Cancun, Mexico: 358,688
13. Kingston, Jamaica: 350,463
14. Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic: 349,655
15. Lima, Peru: 316,466
16. San Jose, Costa Rica: 303,901 17. Atlanta, United States: 293,239 18. Paris, France: 246,710
19. Managua, Nicaragua: 226,549
20. Panama City, Panama: 209,016
21. Port-of-spain, Trinidad and Tobago: 190,614
22. Montego Bay, Jamaica: 186,943
23. Guayaquil, Ecuador: 180,840
24. Guatemala City, Guatemala: 179,307
25. Medellin, Colombia: 168,119
26. San Pedro Sula, Honduras: 167,897
27. Georgetown, Cayman Islands: 159,514
28. Quito, Ecuador: 153,661 29. Madrid, Spain: 151,250 30. Frankfurt am Main, Germany: 136,993 31. Philadelphia, United States: 129,895
32. Rio de Janeiro, Brazil: 129,388
33. Santiago, Chile: 123,992 34. Zürich, Switzerland: 123,352 35. Houston, United States: 123,092 36. Rome, Italy: 115,594
37. Punta Cana, Dominican Republic: 112,432
38. Freeport, Bahamas: 108,501 39. Chicago, United States: 105,238
40. Brasilia, Brazil: 104,762
41. Ottawa, Canada: 101,781
42. Oranjestad, Aruba: 101,309 43. Dallas-Fort Worth, United States: 100,244
Atlanta:
01. Seoul-Incheon, South Korea: 188,207 02. London, United Kingdom: 185,587
03. Toronto, Canada: 177,215 04. Miami, United States: 175,886
05. Cancun, Mexico: 165,260 06. New York, United States: 129,598
American cities in blue, European ones in red.
Here are a couple of screenshots of each place so you can see;
There are 43 places worldwide that are either sending or receiving (or both) 100,000 or more people with Miami every year. Now that is just staggering, these are origin and destination numbers, to be exact, so it is actual people that come out of airports to spend some time in the city of Miami whether they live here or are visitors to here.
Thanks for the stats. These numbers are insane. Parisians love Miami. As do Canadians and Brits. That's no secret.
Thanks for the stats. These numbers are insane. Jeez.
Those numbers are huge, but I think they're also pretty expected to anyone who has spent some time in Miami during the high season.
Actually, it's pretty surprising to me that the Miami list doesn't have anything for Israel and Russia. Maybe there's something we're misinterpreting here?
Last edited by OyCrumbler; 05-24-2015 at 06:33 PM..
If you are aware, then why are you so incredulous? Even the US state department, since we're placing much greater faith in the US government specifically lists Mexico City as having no travel advisories while the problematic northern Mexican states (because we love those drugs!) and the states that are major transshipment points previously mentioned have some pretty severe travel advisories. Certainly no one here can be blind to the fact that there are quite a few US cities that have what would be considered outrageous homicide rates for a developed country.
Miami's peak murder rate in the early-80's made it about as dangerous as any violent city in the third world.
Miami's peak murder rate in the early-80's made it about as dangerous as any violent city in the third world.
Oh yea, absolutely. US cities in general have been seeing some pretty good trends in terms of crime over the last two decades and I believe that's applied to both Atlanta and Miami.
I dont see why you are so offended.He only made a comment regarding a personal friend of his who had an incident happened.He made no judgement based on the incident.Only that it happened.
He even stated how he wishes to go to Mexico City.
That said we were also talking about crime and anyone who would visit even some place really safe like Sweden would mention an incident like that if it happened to someone close while vsiting that country and anyone would take note of it also.
The story was clearly intended to convey a certain message about a lack of safety, please.
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