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View Poll Results: Your favorite of the three?
Atlanta 46 38.33%
Miami 31 25.83%
Mexico City 43 35.83%
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Old 05-27-2015, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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The O&D numbers should put the question of which city is actually more globally connected to bed, honestly. You can access those O&D numbers here, courtesy of the Brookings Institution and it will show you the numbers for Atlanta and Miami and their most prominent global routes. As do immigration numbers. As do foreign investment numbers. As for the lauding of foreign corporate headquarters, Miami has more small offices for foreign firms in legal, media, and financial fields rather than major corporate headquarters of foreign companies (since Latin America in general isn't corporate heavy as it is). A study by Global Cities has ranked it as one of the most strategic global networks in the country.

Strategic Network Connectivity:
16. Miami: 5040
26. Mexico City: 4343

Atlanta didn't make it actually. GaWC Research Bulletin 413

Here is their methodology:
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We can see from Table 3 that law is the sector with the most strategic firms, nine in total, which is 36 percent of law firms in the data. Management consulting with eight firms (32 percent) and advertising with five firms (20 percent) make up the bulk of the remaining strategic firms. In complete contrast, the category of financial services has only three of the firms listed, which is just 4 percent of financial firms in the data. There are no accounting firms at all that are identified as being strategic. The dearth of firms in these latter two sectors is consistent with the insight drawn from the APS internationalization literature reviewed earlier: the ubiquitous presence strategies of the big accounting and financial services firms result in their office networks mostly being excluded in operationalizing measurement of strategicness. In addition, geographic exclusion in this selection of firms in Table 3 is even more extreme: apart from a single London firm, all the firms are U.S. firms (i.e., in our previous parlance, they are all from USAL).

We are now in a position to identify which cities are strategic places within the world city network: we define these as cities that house offices of 10 or more of the strategic firms identified in the analytical step outlined above. This produces a list of 46 cities shown in Table 42. The cities are ranked by their strategic network connectivity derived from computing the network connectivity defined by equation (2) but only including the 25 strategic firms in the calculations. Most of the cities Sassen (1991) mentions as ‘global cities’ appear in the top half of this table, with the cities she focuses on being ranked first (New York), second (London), and tenth (Tokyo). From our previous discussion we can immediately note that Frankfurt (13th) ranks higher than Dubai (18th) supporting our preliminary suggestion that the former was more strategically placed in the world city network than the latter. We can now see that this finding is largely on account of Frankfurt attracting more strategic firms than Dubai: 20 to 15. All 25 strategic firms are found in London and New York, the latter is ranked higher because its offices tend to be more important than London’s (e.g. more headquarters): this is shown by the higher connectivity New York obtains from its strategic firms’ offices. Other cities with high connectivity per strategic firm office are Miami, just above New York, and Johannesburg and Düsseldorf, just below New York. All three of these cities are specialist regional centers with important extramural functions (e.g. continental-scale regional headquarters).
Read the methodology before commenting on it, it is sort of a bullet proof study as they measure exactly what they set out to do and they do it proficiently without any questionable statistics. In fact, the report is quite extensive and explanations are given in each step of the way.

This is another report, but unlike the report above which takes a look at prominent firms, this report takes a look at the world's most prominent big corporations and the centers that host them (see below):

These are the most prominent business centers on planet Earth: GaWC Research Bulletin 381

Here's a chart for visual learners: http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...WChqcities.jpg

If you notice, neither of our cities made it but we are not the ones claiming we are more prominent than we actually are. If you are not one of the world's most prominent business centers then what is the point in bragging about even having foreign corporate headquarters when it hasn't really meant much for global connectivity for your city?

I didn't even have to mention tourism to actually make the case that Miami is a full pledged International city in every sense of the word. Tourism is the icing on the cake, honestly, not even needed for the argument.

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Old 05-27-2015, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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You know NOTHNG of me, or how my mind works.

Tell you what. If I'm ever in the DF and see a Columbus homer decked out in OSU garb, I'll steer clear so as to spare you my 'closed mindedness.'
You need to remember that choice of words and how they're said/written betray what you really think.

I don't own any OSU clothing, so you'll never know. I'm sneaky like that.
 
Old 05-27-2015, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Those two Asian cities are trunk routes much like London, Frankfurt and Paris is in Europe and work well from most medium to large US markets. How soon you forget How Delta axed Shanghai from Atlanta because of poor load factors and Shanghai is a MAJOR global Asian city. Atlanta is a global city but it's not extensive as the more premier US cities.


Atlanta is not in the same league as the Bay Area for global connectivity/international business .So I don't get what your saying. Having many foreign destinations from your airport has more to do with Delta's route structure than the city Atlanta itself. Not the same for Miami. San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago and DC.

Without Delta's hub in Atlanta you would be hard pressed to see flights to Europe other than the major trunk routes. You wouldn't have service to Johannesburg, Sao Paulo would be the only South American destination and that would be a stretch.
Once again you have failed to explain why Atlanta has such a higher Asian and African population as well as more business connections than Miami.Miami. Im not arguing about the Bay Area as I accept it being more connected globally.
 
Old 05-27-2015, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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I think using facts and stats is more tactful. You're using anecdotes ("From my experience") to draw characterizations of the guy when you're complaining about using anecdotes to characterize DF. Sort of pointless to make it so personal.

Instead, post some sweet pictures of Mexico City.
That was a fact. Most people can't afford to move to the beach if they think the city is too dangerous to stay. That's just not an economic reality for most people, so the people he knows are unlikely to be from the average middle-low economic classes. The only "my experience" thing was the Lomas comment. I suppose they could live in Polanco or Santa Fe also.

The thing about pictures is that you could always find really nice pics from anywhere. You can make any place look good if you're selective enough, so I'm not sure they're really the answer either.
 
Old 05-27-2015, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Miami Beach, FL/Tokyo, Japan
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Once again you have failed to explain why Atlanta has such a higher Asian and African population as well as more business connections than Miami.Miami. Im not arguing about the Bay Area as I accept it being more connected globally.
Atlanta doesn't have a high Asian population, or African. It's peanuts. The fact you have more than Miami, which is also peanuts doesn't say anything. Focus on what you have, not what you don't have. Neither city is connected to Africa or Asia, but Miami is at least connected to Latin America and Europe.
 
Old 05-27-2015, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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We're a prominent world art center as well and are widely recognized as such, in fact that same agency with the previously mentioned studies (by Global Cities Network) ranked us well among places in North America.

Methodology:
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Selection of Cities

In order to select the cities to be included in our ranking, we trace the locations of top international arts events. We look at major international performing arts festivals...and major international visual art. For each event, a city gets one point. That leaves us with a list of some 200 cities all over the world hosting between 1 and 87 international arts events in the period analyzed. For our ranking, we select those cities that host a minimum of five events (i.e. have a significant international arts presence). This threshold narrows it down to in total 36 cities.

Grades were given across four indicators to 36 cities that qualified by the criteria:
1. International performing arts events
2. International visual arts events
3. Local performing arts events
4. Local visual arts events
Came in 23rd in the world, only other American cities featured are New York, Los Angeles, and San Francisco (and possibly some of their satellite cities).

GaWC Research Bulletin 412

So yeah, we have art too.
 
Old 05-27-2015, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Miami Beach, FL/Tokyo, Japan
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We're a prominent world art center as well and are widely recognized as such, in fact that same agency with the previously mentioned studies (by Global Cities Network) ranked us well among places in North America.

Methodology:


Came in 23rd in the world, only other American cities featured are New York, Los Angeles, and San Francisco (and possibly some of their satellite cities).

GaWC Research Bulletin 412

So yeah, we have art too.
We have fashion which is art, and also several prominent European art shows use Miami, i.e Art Basel which only has an off shoot in Hong Kong besides its home Basel.
 
Old 05-27-2015, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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We have fashion which is art, and also several prominent European art shows use Miami, i.e Art Basel which only has an off shoot in Hong Kong besides its home Basel.
I actually made a thread on Fashion Capitals when their last annual ranking came out. We're widely seen as one of the absolute top centers for fashion in the United States and world. In general there are far and few cities in the United States that are stylistically more innovative than Miami.

Only bested by New York and Los Angeles here in the United States. The next fashion capitals ranking comes out in August for this year, we'll probably see an improvement in our ranking.

New York Takes Top Global Fashion Capital Title from London, edging past Paris | The Global Language Monitor

We're 19th in the world, up by 20 spots from the year before by the study that most fashionistas that work for magazines, the actual fashion industry, and other prominent media outlets recognize as the leading authority on the subject. They've done their ranking for nearly a decade straight annually.
 
Old 05-27-2015, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Miami Beach, FL/Tokyo, Japan
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I actually made a thread on Fashion Capitals when their last annual ranking came out. We're widely seen as one of the absolute top centers for fashion in the United States and world.

Only bested by New York and Los Angeles here in the United States. The next fashion capitals ranking comes out in August for this year, we'll probably see an improvement in our ranking.

New York Takes Top Global Fashion Capital Title from London, edging past Paris | The Global Language Monitor

We're 19th in the world, up by 20 spots from the year before by the study that most fashionistas that work for magazines and other media outlets recognize as the leading authority on the subject. They've done their ranking for nearly a decade straight annually.
Since my fiancee used to be a model for Elite working out of Greece before her family relocated to Florida, I have been in touch with a lot of European models for various agencies. Just last night I hosted one from Vienna, while she is about at the end of her career, she is strongly pushing for relocation to Miami due to very strong connections in fashion.
 
Old 05-27-2015, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Atlanta doesn't have a high Asian population, or African. It's peanuts. The fact you have more than Miami, which is also peanuts doesn't say anything. Focus on what you have, not what you don't have. Neither city is connected to Africa or Asia, but Miami is at least connected to Latin America and Europe.
When will you just stop saying stuff that you dont even know?You keep getting proved wrong over and over.
Atlanta has the third highest amount of Foreign Born Africans than any other city but D.C.
Fifteen Metropolitan Statistical Areas With the Largest Foreign-Born Populations From
Africa: 2008–2012


United States . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 39,784 105 1,582 14 4.0 Z
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA . . . . . 5,413 18 212 5 3.9 0.1
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV . . . . . . . . . 1,205 7 161 3 13.3 0.2
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 714 6 68 3 9.5 0.4
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4,396 16 67 3 1.5 0.1
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 314 4 64 2 20.3 0.6
Dallas-Ft. Worth-Arlington, TX . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,114 8 61 3 5.5 0.3
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 756 7 60 3 7.9 0.3
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,319 9 50 3 3.8 0.2
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD . . . . . . . . . 571 6 48 3 8.3 0.4
Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,666 11 43 3 2.6 0.2
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 574 6 39 2 6.7 0.4
Baltimore-Towson, MD . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 248 4 31 2 12.5 0.8
Columbus, OH . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 127 3 29 2 22.9 1.3
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,296 8 23 1 1.8 0.1
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 201 3 22 1 11.1 0.6
Remainder of the United States . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19,870 61 604 9 3.0 Z

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/C...acsbr12-16.pdf

It says that these cities are whats being discussed and these are the facts.You have already been proven you make statements based on little fact and have been proven wrong.
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