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View Poll Results: Your favorite of the three?
Atlanta 46 38.33%
Miami 31 25.83%
Mexico City 43 35.83%
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Old 05-27-2015, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Miami/ Washington DC
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However I keep repeating, Miami is well integrated with Latin America and even Europe in a way Atlanta is with no region.
This ^ This is his point, this is pretty much my point as well. Why does no one understand this.

As for the Asians, yea our numbers are lower compared to most large metros. But it has been on the uptick and Chinese investment in Miami is one a big rise.

 
Old 05-27-2015, 12:42 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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This article says it all about Miami's low Asian population and why its not more popular with Asians.
What The Lack Of Asian-Americans Says About Miami | WLRN

The largest racial group on the planet and Miami hardly has any.
Asians are not a racial group. Sort of an odd quirk of the US census bureau.

Neither city (nor Mexico City) have particularly substantial Asian populations. It's kind of silly to be comparing mole hills.

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Old 05-27-2015, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Get your fact straight.
My facts are straight, read the methodologies, they're pretty much extensive and honestly cover every facet. I have to say I'm pretty impressed with it, they literally left no stones left unturned there.
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Why would not Miami have more small companies?Of course!There are SOO many small countries with a relativly short plane ride form Miami but as I said before they are small potatoes becaus they dont provide mas jobs and higher salaries as evidenced by Miami low economic numbers for its residents.
Those firms are in media, finance, legal/law, travel (like the travel information or travel packaging sort of firms), among the the like.

I think that is solid. In addition to that, Miami is probably the most averse city in the United States to major national bank chains, this place probably has more foreign banks per capita than anywhere else in the country, after New York.
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You provided one flawed study that has Fayetteville AR over Boston and several other prominent cities Im suppose to take it seriously?
That place in Arkansas is an aberration, the only aberration too. It is on the list because ONE major and powerful global corporation is based there, it is a corporate boon for that city but looking at the statistics overall, including the one that states how many corporations they looked at, you can clearly tell an aberration when you see one.

When you scan the list, every other city makes sense. As in Tokyo and New York really are the most prominent business centers on the planet. As in San Francisco Bay Area, Houston, Chicago, Dallas really have some of the most powerful/largest corporations on Earth. All of these things are true and the studies do their part to explain everything, if you actually read the entire study in full detail you'll notice they explain every city and its inclusion and they do it in a logical manner with supportive facts (market capitalization, profits, revenues, global outreach, so on).
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Especially over the At.Kearney study that if Im not mistaken you posted in a thread you created .
In that study Atlanta was one of the cities listed but not Miami.

I guess you just forgot you posted that one?Let me do it for you:
https://www.atkearney.com/news-media...ies-2015/10192

And here is the "FDI Global Cities of the Future".Atlanta is all over the place but Miami when it is ranked in any category is almost dead last.
file:///C:/Users/Keary/Downloads/Glo...s%20awards.pdf
Yeah I contemplated posting the A.T. Kearney study in this thread but stopped short of doing so, primarily because of two reasons:

1. It is completely insignificant for all three cities in this thread. Not a single one of them made it on to A.T. Kearney's short list of Global 25, definitely none of the three made it on the Global Elite 16s. In fact, Atlanta's only inclusion came under the "outlook" list which is prognosis for the future and NOT the present.

Here are both lists:
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Global Cities Index, 2015:
01. New York
06. Los Angeles
07. Chicago
10. Washington, D.C.
13. Toronto
22. San Francisco
23. Boston
24. Montreal

Global Cities Outlook, 2015:
01. San Francisco
03. Boston
04. New York
06. Houston
16. Atlanta
17. Chicago
20. Toronto
21. Los Angeles


A.T. Kearney Global Cities 2015 Identifies 16 Elite Cities Based on Their Current... -- CHICAGO, May 20, 2015 /PRNewswire/ --
The first list that says "Global Cities Index, 2015" is the important one, as it displays the cities that A.T. Kearney currently considers relevant enough to put on their short Global Elites list. Again, the second list is an outlook of future trends and the future is uncertain, so little weight should actually be placed on it for carrying out in accordance to today's trends.

2. A.T. Kearney is actually quite bullish on Miami, at least relative to these other cities in this thread. Their last ranking, I think last year or the year before or whatever actually featured Miami prominently and ahead of both cities in this thread. That was back when A.T. Kearney would do a list of 60 world cities, but they have since trimmed the fat and cut it down to only 25 cities in the world. Meaning our cities don't make it.

Miami has ranked ahead of Atlanta in ALL of A.T. Kearney's official studies. This was last years: https://www.atkearney.com/documents/...6-4c8eaf984cd5

It ranks ahead every single year, the reason it didn't make the first list this year is because instead of featuring 60 cities they cut it down to only 25 now, Miami has been in the 20s almost every year except for one, so it is safe to assume that we just barely missed it.

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Old 05-27-2015, 01:35 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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This ^ This is his point, this is pretty much my point as well. Why does no one understand this.

As for the Asians, yea our numbers are lower compared to most large metros. But it has been on the uptick and Chinese investment in Miami is one a big rise.
Perfectly said.

Atlanta's service to Europe:

Amsterdam
Brussels
Frankfurt
London
Madrid
Munich
Paris
Rome

Seasonal:

Dublin
Milan
Venice
Zurich

This list falls well short of what European destinations are offered from Miami. Latin America forget it not even close. Miami is a strong O&D destination from these cities while Atlanta is not.

So I guess Tokyo, Seoul, Lagos and Johannesburg which are flights fueled by connections more than local O&D puts Atlanta over the top.

Yes Atlanta does have flights to more regions throughout the globe but the destinations are limited to a couple cities in that region when there are many other premier cities left out such as Taipei, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Beijing, Osaka, Nagoya, Manila, Guangzhou, etc. all major Asian markets but some how Seoul and Tokyo which are in one isolated region of Asia represents the Far East as a whole. Nope.

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Old 05-27-2015, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Asians are not a racial group. Sort of an odd quirk of the US census bureau.

Neither city (nor Mexico City) have particularly substantial Asian populations. It's kind of silly to be comparing mole hills.
Yeah. I agree, it is especially insignificant because neither city (nor Mexico City) would crack the North American top 10 to begin with (especially when Toronto and Vancouver are included). So it is like what on Earth is there even to be bragging about here?

Asian only population in raw numbers:
01. Los Angeles: 2.3 million
02. New York: 2.1 million
03. San Francisco Bay Area: 1.9 million
04. Chicago: 572,379
05. Washington DC: 558,290 (MSA)
06. Seattle: 488,166
07. Honolulu: 479,480
08. Houston: 452,551
09. Boston: 420,225
10. Dallas/Fort Worth: 401,800
11. San Diego: 346,972
12. Philadelphia: 312,116
13. Sacramento: 281,836
14. Atlanta: 275,502
15. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 193,959
16. Detroit: 176,194
17. Las Vegas: 168,665
18. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 141,132
19. Phoenix: 138,688
20. Portland: 135,252
21. Baltimore: 126,886
22. Denver: 111,726
23. Orlando: 99,158
24. Tampa: 82,258
25. Saint Louis: 59,266
26. Cleveland: 56,095

Total Overseas Born Population:
- New York: 5,974,000
- Los Angeles: 5,511,026
- San Francisco Bay Area: 2,226,990
- Miami: 2,166,385
- Chicago: 1,699,371
- Houston: 1,344,448
- Washington: 1,232,826
- Dallas: 1,160,081
- Boston: 1,111,220
- Atlanta: 744,033
- Philadelphia: 629,785

Overseas Born in Northern America:
- Los Angeles: 58,921
- New York: 52,451
- Boston: 36,362
- Miami: 32,575
- San Francisco Bay Area: 31,837
- Houston: 15,136
- Dallas: 14,621
- Chicago: 14,058
- Washington: 11,973
- Atlanta: 10,602
- Philadelphia: 10,032

Overseas Born in Latin America:
- Los Angeles: 3,239,408
- New York: 2,984,526
- Miami: 1,879,281
- Houston: 897,208
- Chicago: 829,267
- Dallas: 746,995
- San Francisco Bay Area: 731,434
- Washington: 501,800
- Boston: 408,154
- Atlanta: 386,982
- Philadelphia: 202,281

Overseas Born in Africa:
- New York: 236,869
- Washington: 171,290
- Boston: 98,939
- Los Angeles: 87,175
- Atlanta: 70,495
- Dallas: 67,099
- Houston: 54,125
- Philadelphia: 49,854
- Chicago: 46,875
- San Francisco Bay Area: 34,864
- Miami: 20,511

Overseas Born in Asia:
- Los Angeles: 1,831,693
- New York: 1,646,941
- San Francisco Bay Area: 1,193,466
- Chicago: 440,667
- Washington: 432,478
- Houston: 316,083
- Boston: 314,190
- Dallas: 271,261
- Philadelphia: 236,943
- Atlanta: 208,366
- Miami: 108,860

Southeast Florida's relationship with South America (or Latin America in general) is something Atlanta has not developed with any part of the world outside of the United States. Arguably the "strength" for Atlanta is in its African population according to its posters but numerically the gap between the two cities there is 48,000 which is a negligible gap, essentially both cities are closer to each other there than they are blowing each other out. Take a look at the massive gulf between Miami and Atlanta on Latin America and overall total overseas people to see the huge difference the two cities have on the world outside of the United States. Now comparatively that is a massive difference and is easy to spot as a massive difference.
 
Old 05-27-2015, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Miami metro has 126,000 asians (2.3%), and Atlanta has 357,000 asians (4.9%). Let's not pretend, neither city is connected to Asia. However I keep repeating, Miami is well integrated with Latin America and even Europe in a way Atlanta is with no region.
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In Atlanta, for example, Asian-Americans comprise just 5 percent of the population, compared with 10 percent for the Latino community. The city’s metro population increased by 24 percent between 2000 and 2010, but the Asian-American population increased 88 percent and the Latino population more than doubled. - See more at: Asian-Americans are South
There is are real visible Asian communities in Atlanta.The Korean population is one of the fast growing n America.No its not like in LA or SF but enouh where the local that is has blended with the other local cultures.
It adds to the truly"international "feel of the city.A person from Korean will not feel uncomfortable.

In the city I went to high school in ,it is now 20%Vietnamese.The mayors of a couple of towns is Vietnamese.

There are several areas where you can shop,got to Asian Spas or dine in Korean,Chinese,Indonesian,Thai,Indian,and Vietnamese places all over the Atlanta metro.

I have never heard of any such place existing in Miami but Atlanta does have several different Caribbean,Laitin and Hispanic on of course a much smaller scale but visible non the less.

Buford Hwy

Courtesy of EATER

Its about what you are exposed to.Until I moved back to Atlanta I never had any close friends that are Vietnamese,Korean,or Indian.Now I dont have one of each but several.I feel like my quality of life and my experience of what the world has to offer has been broadened,If you dont have access to that then you cannot be truly international or fully cosmopolitan
 
Old 05-27-2015, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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This ^ This is his point, this is pretty much my point as well. Why does no one understand this.

As for the Asians, yea our numbers are lower compared to most large metros. But it has been on the uptick and Chinese investment in Miami is one a big rise.
If you lok at every major growing metro in the U.S.,the Chinese population is exploding.Maybe its more in Miami but its not exactly lagging in many other U.S. cites.
 
Old 05-27-2015, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Miami Beach, FL/Tokyo, Japan
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I have never heard of any such place existing in Miami but Atlanta does have several different Caribbean,Laitin and Hispanic on of course a much smaller scale but visible non the less.
What asian spas and various asian cuisine restaurants? Yes, we have them. Thai, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Indian, Pakistani. Just not many of them, and they're not very good. Though one of the best restaurants in Miami, one that may get 3 Michelin Stars is Japanese.

I also know from my short stay in Atlanta that your asian places are neither numerous or very good. At least in the city core.
 
Old 05-27-2015, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Asians are not a racial group. Sort of an odd quirk of the US census bureau.

Neither city (nor Mexico City) have particularly substantial Asian populations. It's kind of silly to be comparing mole hills.
No because at soe point there is a visible community that adds to the culture of the city.I explained what I meant in the other post.Show me some areas like that in Miami and I cans ee but to my knowledge,it does not exist on a substantial level as it does in Atlanta.

Like for nstance I would have never known what an HMART was if there was no Asian population of significance in Atlanta.That's why Miami does not have any.
https://www.hmart.com/company_new/shop_main.asp

H Mart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 05-27-2015, 04:22 PM
 
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I also know from my short stay in Atlanta that your asian places are neither numerous or very good. At least in the city core.
That's because they are primarily in the suburbs, Gwinnett County specifically.
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