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View Poll Results: Your favorite of the three?
Atlanta 46 38.33%
Miami 31 25.83%
Mexico City 43 35.83%
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Old 05-27-2015, 10:36 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Yes but NYC has no ties to one region,Neither does D,C,,Boston,Phoenix etc.The only reason Miami and cities like SF have those ties are because of their access to those regions by there location.

So most cities DO NOT have this. San Francisco still has significant interest worldwide,Its not lopsided like Miami.Here is a good example . The real estate market in Miami is experiencing a sharp drop from Latin American investors,
http://www.dailybusinessreview.com/i...20150427220813
I will be the first to admit that Miami is not diverse like other global US cities for direct access to all corners of the globe. It pains me that San Francisco doesn't serve any Latin American city south of San Salvador. New York is its own beast. Atlanta does have a impressive variety of reaching all continents albeit with limited destinations except Europe and Latin America. Oops no Aussie I forgot

 
Old 05-27-2015, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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I will be the first to admit that Miami is not diverse like other global US cities for direct access to all corners of the globe. It pains me that San Francisco doesn't serve any Latin American city south of San Salvador. New York is its own beast. Atlanta does have a impressive variety of reaching all continents albeit with limited destinations except Europe and Latin America. Oops no Aussie I forgot
That's all im saying,I dont have a problem if someone thinks Miami is slightly more international but some have tried to act like Atlanta is just not international at all even though there is so much evidence to say otherwise.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 03:47 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Yeah. I agree, it is especially insignificant because neither city (nor Mexico City) would crack the North American top 10 to begin with (especially when Toronto and Vancouver are included). So it is like what on Earth is there even to be bragging about here?

Asian only population in raw numbers:
01. Los Angeles: 2.3 million
02. New York: 2.1 million
03. San Francisco Bay Area: 1.9 million
04. Chicago: 572,379
05. Washington DC: 558,290 (MSA)
06. Seattle: 488,166
07. Honolulu: 479,480
08. Houston: 452,551
09. Boston: 420,225
10. Dallas/Fort Worth: 401,800
11. San Diego: 346,972
12. Philadelphia: 312,116
13. Sacramento: 281,836
14. Atlanta: 275,502
15. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 193,959
16. Detroit: 176,194
17. Las Vegas: 168,665
18. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 141,132
19. Phoenix: 138,688
20. Portland: 135,252
21. Baltimore: 126,886
22. Denver: 111,726
23. Orlando: 99,158
24. Tampa: 82,258
25. Saint Louis: 59,266
26. Cleveland: 56,095

Total Overseas Born Population:
- New York: 5,974,000
- Los Angeles: 5,511,026
- San Francisco Bay Area: 2,226,990
- Miami: 2,166,385
- Chicago: 1,699,371
- Houston: 1,344,448
- Washington: 1,232,826
- Dallas: 1,160,081
- Boston: 1,111,220
- Atlanta: 744,033
- Philadelphia: 629,785

Overseas Born in Northern America:
- Los Angeles: 58,921
- New York: 52,451
- Boston: 36,362
- Miami: 32,575
- San Francisco Bay Area: 31,837
- Houston: 15,136
- Dallas: 14,621
- Chicago: 14,058
- Washington: 11,973
- Atlanta: 10,602
- Philadelphia: 10,032

Overseas Born in Latin America:
- Los Angeles: 3,239,408
- New York: 2,984,526
- Miami: 1,879,281
- Houston: 897,208
- Chicago: 829,267
- Dallas: 746,995
- San Francisco Bay Area: 731,434
- Washington: 501,800
- Boston: 408,154
- Atlanta: 386,982
- Philadelphia: 202,281

Overseas Born in Africa:
- New York: 236,869
- Washington: 171,290
- Boston: 98,939
- Los Angeles: 87,175
- Atlanta: 70,495
- Dallas: 67,099
- Houston: 54,125
- Philadelphia: 49,854
- Chicago: 46,875
- San Francisco Bay Area: 34,864
- Miami: 20,511

Overseas Born in Asia:
- Los Angeles: 1,831,693
- New York: 1,646,941
- San Francisco Bay Area: 1,193,466
- Chicago: 440,667
- Washington: 432,478
- Houston: 316,083
- Boston: 314,190
- Dallas: 271,261
- Philadelphia: 236,943
- Atlanta: 208,366
- Miami: 108,860

Southeast Florida's relationship with South America (or Latin America in general) is something Atlanta has not developed with any part of the world outside of the United States. Arguably the "strength" for Atlanta is in its African population according to its posters but numerically the gap between the two cities there is 48,000 which is a negligible gap, essentially both cities are closer to each other there than they are blowing each other out. Take a look at the massive gulf between Miami and Atlanta on Latin America and overall total overseas people to see the huge difference the two cities have on the world outside of the United States. Now comparatively that is a massive difference and is easy to spot as a massive difference.
Just stop it already.Geez.You hardly need to have the highest concentration of a ethnic group for it to be relevant to the culture of the community.Show me where in Miami outside of the "Little Haiti,Havana and other Caribbean and Latin American enclaves does Miami have a significant Asian visible population.
That is truly what whe have been discussing.Globally culturally representation within these cities metro.

And again you keepmrepeating Miami's freign born poulation but more than 70% of it is from the Caribbean and Latin America,Hardly diverse.
Miami has an extremely unbalanced population from Latin America.No city including Atlanta is close.Would you say D.C. is less diverse too?


Where in Miami do you have the largest Hindu temple outside of India like this in Atlanta:
http://www.asakurarobinson.net/wp-co...-f-600x300.jpg

BAPS Shri Swaminarayan Mandir, Atlanta
I went there last year with a friend who is originally from India to the Diwali Festival and there are several of these temples around Atlanta but that one is the most elaborate.
Miami has 158 Hindu Inhabitants per 100,000
Atlanta has 378.That means I am more than twice as likely to have met someone who is Hindu than if I were living in Miami.

I live 25 min South of Atlanta and I live near this:



Its part of a Thai monastary . Locally there are many great Thai restuarants that serve the local community

Also what about Muslims?
Quote:
"The biggest mosque totals are in these metropolitan areas: New York City (192), southern California (120), Chicago (90), Philadelphia (63), Detroit (62), San Francisco Bay (62), Atlanta (55), northern New Jersey (53), Houston (42), and Dallas-Fort Worth (39)."]The biggest mosque totals are in these metropolitan areas: New York City (192), southern California (120), Chicago (90), Philadelphia (63), Detroit (62), San Francisco Bay (62), Atlanta (55), northern New Jersey (53), Houston (42), and Dallas-Fort Worth (39)
Many Africans as well as Arabs are Muslim.

You say its a neglible difference but its just not true because you are only looking on paper.Anyone who has ever been in Atlanta will say that they hav seen many Africans and South Asians.Its in the sheer amount of resturants and visible members of those communities.

Now if you can show me how pervasive and visible these communities are within the Miami greater community then please do so because all Im hearing is objections but no evidence.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 07:02 AM
 
Location: O4W
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Three totally different cities. No vote for me
 
Old 05-28-2015, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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So... this thread's still going.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 02:17 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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There are several in Miami, Hakkasan my favorite.
I think it's better to stick with the greater point that neither city is particularly connected to Asia. Citing Hakkasan doesn't make much sense as that is an overpriced and inauthentic asian fusion luxury chainlet (enjoyable for what it is, but pretty easy to recognize for what it is) that indicates nothing in regards to the Asian community for any of the cities it's in besides the fact that there is a fairly large number of wealthy residents and/or visitors.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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I think it's better to stick with the greater point that neither city is particularly connected to Asia. Citing Hakkasan doesn't make much sense as that is an overpriced and inauthentic asian fusion luxury chainlet (enjoyable for what it is, but pretty easy to recognize for what it is) that indicates nothing in regards to the Asian community for any of the cities it's in besides the fact that there is a fairly large number of wealthy residents and/or visitors.
That is simply not true.It may not be Vancouver or Seattle but Atlanta has the largest and visible Korean,South Asian and Vietnamese communities in the Southeast.

I live in city with a Vietnamese mayor.20% of its residents are Vietnamese.
Tell me of a community in Miami where there is a visible Asian community?
Not just a couple of token resturants.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Miami Beach, FL/Tokyo, Japan
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I think it's better to stick with the greater point that neither city is particularly connected to Asia. Citing Hakkasan doesn't make much sense as that is an overpriced and inauthentic asian fusion luxury chainlet (enjoyable for what it is, but pretty easy to recognize for what it is) that indicates nothing in regards to the Asian community for any of the cities it's in besides the fact that there is a fairly large number of wealthy residents and/or visitors.
Well I've been saying that all along but he asked, so I'm answering. Hakkasan at her base is good Cantonese restaurant but since it's an upscale restaurant it experiments with both French and other asian cuisines and forms a fusion of kind. Tbh, those ethnic hole-in-wall restaurants I don't like. I'm always scared of the quality of the ingredients and the sanitary conditions. On top of that I travel to asia often enough, I prefer a fusion of sorts instead of strict "authenticity" (i.e common food). Often in Asia I end up eating at the upper end restaurants that are fusions anyway in the form of Hakkasan.

But all of this is off topic, I'm sure Miami has hole in the wall Cantonese food too. But you'll get better food at Hakkasan which is inspired on Cantonese cuisine.

As a side note, one thing Miami has been doing is fusion of Asian/Latin food. I love the sushi/cebiche/ceviche bars that mix Japanese with Peruvian/Mexican/Central American style of preparing raw fish.
 
Old 05-28-2015, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Its not big but there ois a ChinaTown n Atlanta.Its a cool place where many of the Chinese and any other groups gather to shop or dine.It even has a Chinese Garden in the middle.
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en...d=0CJEBEKIqMA0
 
Old 05-28-2015, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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So you cant keep picking and choosing which ones support your argument whle leaving out other information when it suits your position.
Yeah, except I never did that to begin with. I made a post that didn't quote anyone, you quoted me inserting a new ranking that I was not even talking about with A.T. Kearney, so I included it and pointed out how whatever you were arguing backfired since NEITHER of our cities actually made their list this year when they cut it from 60 cities to just 25 cities worldwide.
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Actually if you go back several yeas on these list Atlanta has ranked higher than Miami,Houston and Dallas.Miami is more of a recent addition to many of these list.
Not really the case with A.T. Kearney. I don't think so.

Page 4, has all the previous year rankings too: https://www.atkearney.com/documents/...6-4c8eaf984cd5

Miami:
2008: 32nd
2010: 34th
2012: 36th
2014: 29th
2015: NOT ON IT

Atlanta:
2008: 37th
2010: 40th
2012: 39th
2014: 36th
2015: NOT ON IT
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Yes and if you take Atlanta out of the equation and add SF,Boston or D.C. its the same thing so how t is really a big deal?
Kind of.

Washington D.C. as far as United States cities go has a lock on Africa on a pound-for-pound basis. It actually gets more African immigrants than anywhere else in the country by a significant margin (technically the same number as New York but that place is multiple times larger; so less impressive). Washington D.C. outpaces nearly every American city on key African countries. San Francisco IS United States' premier gateway to Oceania. It receives the largest number of immigrants from that region of the world of all American cities (including New York) and it makes for a substantial market for overseas tourism to the countries of Australia and New Zealand. This is reflected in the frequency of air routes, flight times, and O&D traffic between them and Oceania.

Oh, one more thing, Washington D.C. MSA is also just 6 million people but its population from Africa is like 180,000. Now that is impressive and it obviously crosses the 100,000+ threshold (six figures).

American FactFinder

Atlanta, unlike any of those cities (and some that you didn't name) or Miami, has none of that going on. Its largest immigrant community are Mexican people and it doesn't even have a top 10 Mexican population in the United States by either raw numbers or especially percentages.

Atlanta's Korean population is 48,766 and it hasn't even surpassed 100,000 people yet. It's combined South Asian population, or even just Indian alone isn't even the largest in the entire region of the South (though it is in the Southeast subregion) and hasn't even surpassed 100,000 people yet. You get the idea.

Atlanta is cosmopolitan, but significantly less than Miami, or Washington D.C., or San Francisco Bay Area among places you mentioned. The only place Atlanta is more foreign born than among 5+ million places are Philadelphia and Detroit and honestly, those two aren't much to talk about in regards to cosmopolitanism to begin with.

You can view the immigration trends and numbers here by the Department of Homeland Security of the United States' Government.

I also disagree with your assertion about New York not being region specific. It might not be region specific but it is country specific. It has the largest Russian population on planet Earth for any city outside of Russia or the former U.S.S.R. federation countries in Eastern Europe (basically any country ending in -ia). It has the largest Jewish population of any city on Earth outside of Tel-Aviv. It has the largest Italian population on Earth for any city outside of Italy. It has the largest Irish population on Earth for any city outside of Ireland/United Kingdom. It has the largest Bangladeshi population of any city on planet Earth outside of South Asia. So on.

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