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Old 05-20-2015, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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It actually is. Several billion dollars more GDP than metro areas with over 200k more people is pretty significant.

You can lay claim to in state rivalry but I call that a lack luster defense of these cities, and that's something you can't prove, it's all conjecture.
It's not really conjecture at all. Consider the peer cities mentioned...

Tampa has Orlando, Tallahassee, Jacksonville, Miami, etc.
Cincinnati and Columbus have each other, along with Cleveland, Toledo, Dayton.
Sacramento has SF, SD, SJ, LA and lots more.
Kansas City has St. Louis at least.
Austin has Dallas, SA, Houston, etc.
Nashville has Memphis, Knoxville.
Milwaukee has Madison and Chicago, though Chicago is not in-state, it's very close.

Indianapolis is the only city on the list with no other significant city in-state or even all that close. You really believe that plays no role?
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Old 05-21-2015, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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It's not really conjecture at all. Consider the peer cities mentioned...

Tampa has Orlando, Tallahassee, Jacksonville, Miami, etc.
Cincinnati and Columbus have each other, along with Cleveland, Toledo, Dayton.
Sacramento has SF, SD, SJ, LA and lots more.
Kansas City has St. Louis at least.
Austin has Dallas, SA, Houston, etc.
Nashville has Memphis, Knoxville.
Milwaukee has Madison and Chicago, though Chicago is not in-state, it's very close.

Indianapolis is the only city on the list with no other significant city in-state or even all that close. You really believe that plays no role?
Not in the sense you seem to think it does. Indianapolis is closer to Cincinnati and Louisville than Kansas city is to St. Louis, so that's a poor comparison. Same goes for Nashville to Memphis, they are over 200 miles apart. I don't see what in state has to do with it when Indy is closer to two major cities.

I don't see Charlotte's GDP affected by Raleigh, I don't see Philadelphia's GDP affected by New York, I don't see Oklahoma's GDP affected by Tulsa, Madison is fairly small, barely 500k in the metro area, not sure how that would affect Milwaukee, a city over 3 times its size, it's almost like saying Chicago is negatively affected by its proximity to Milwaukee. and I really think you're grasping at straws defending the Ohio cities.

Historically Cleveland and Cincinnati both have been much larger and had much higher GDP than Indianapolis. Only in the last 15 years as those cities have stagnated and Indy and Columbus have grown did they take change the leader board. Indianapolis has been the largest city in the state for more than 100 years, but only in the last 15 has it passed many of its peer sized cities across the nation, explain that one.
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Old 05-21-2015, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati(Silverton)
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Don't Indianapolis use it's whole county for it's boundaries while Cleveland and Cincinnati do not? Explain that one?
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Old 05-21-2015, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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Don't Indianapolis use it's whole county for it's boundaries while Cleveland and Cincinnati do not? Explain that one?
Except we aren't comparing the cities, we are comparing the metro areas, thought that was obvious.
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Old 05-22-2015, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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It's not really conjecture at all. Consider the peer cities mentioned...

Tampa has Orlando, Tallahassee, Jacksonville, Miami, etc.
Cincinnati and Columbus have each other, along with Cleveland, Toledo, Dayton.
Sacramento has SF, SD, SJ, LA and lots more.
Kansas City has St. Louis at least.
Austin has Dallas, SA, Houston, etc.
Nashville has Memphis, Knoxville.
Milwaukee has Madison and Chicago, though Chicago is not in-state, it's very close.

Indianapolis is the only city on the list with no other significant city in-state or even all that close. You really believe that plays no role?
Indy doesn't have to compete with other cities outside of Indiana?
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Old 05-22-2015, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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Except we aren't comparing the cities, we are comparing the metro areas, thought that was obvious.
Then perhaps it is pertinent to look at the total number of counties per metro.
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Old 05-22-2015, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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Indy doesn't have to compete with other cities outside of Indiana?
The claim was that it doesn't have in-state rivals.
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Old 05-22-2015, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Don't Indianapolis use it's whole county for it's boundaries while Cleveland and Cincinnati do not? Explain that one?
There are many cities that cover a lot of square miles. Just look at Houston. So if you make that argument then you need to include other cities which go beyond Cleveland and Cincy in growth. However, my main point is when you own a bigger store that covers more square footage in a strip mall with a successful plan you are going to have a great opportunity to maximize that space for more profit. Another words, Walmart is making more than Cincy's based Kroger because it has a more succesful plan and more square footage to do it. An expansion of wealth will create more economic growth.

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Old 05-22-2015, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Earth
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The claim was that it doesn't have in-state rivals.
It doesn't have to. Nothing is stopping companies from outside of Indiana from moving to Indianapolis or any other part of the state. Indy's competition with other cities goes well beyond Indiana's borders. Don't think it doesn't. We have other companies and population relocating from out of state all the time. It's not like we are living in the former Soviet Union where you can not move about freely region to region with check points. The state to state borders are open and it's fair game for any city when it comes to drawing more business and population.
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Old 05-22-2015, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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Then perhaps it is pertinent to look at the total number of counties per metro.
I don't know why number of counties matters? Population is more important as many of Indy's outlying metro counties are pretty rural. But since you asked, let's tally them up.

Indianapolis - 10 counties in metro area
Cincinnati - 16 counties in metro area
Columbus - 10 counties in metro area
Cleveland - 5 counties in metro area
Tampa - 7 counties in metro area
Kansas City - 15 counties in metro area

Was there a point you were trying to prove by number of counties in the metro area?

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