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Indianapolis' (Marion County's) population growth for all this is pretty anemic- less than half that of Columbus, for example, despite incorporating an extra few hundred square miles.
Actually, Franklin County is much larger in land area with 532.19 than Marion at 396.30 by about 136 sq. miles (that's a lot). If you were to expand Marion County to equal Franklin County in land area it's existing population would increase along with the population growth number total. It would probably come out about the same anyway.
It seems that Indy's suburbs are the bigger draw, not the city/core county itself. It's unemployment rate is higher than several of the peers mentioned here as well.
No, not a bigger draw in pulling retail and shoppers away from the core to the degree that malls like Polaris or Easton are doing to Columbus when it comes to having an active retail environment downtown. No not in that sense. Downtown Indy does a much better job pulling people from around the metro area to come downtown when it comes to retail, events, activities etc.. Over all Downtown Columbus is dead compared to Indy. The only thing that Columbus has on Indy are it's outer neighborhoods outside of downtown. However, the neighborhoods in Indy are getting much better and look forward to more improvements.
I already did. Compare Ohio's multiple major cities to Indiana's one. State economic activity is much more concentrated in one place, where in other states it is not. Sure, Indianapolis could compete somewhat outside of the state for business relocation, but it's pretty obvious being the sole significant city in the state plays a role in Indy's GDP. To deny that is silly.
I use to live in Atlanta and it's the main economic engine relative to anywhere else in Georgia so that's neither here nor there.
Your last ditch half assed efforts to talk down other cities to try and boost Columbus is very silly.
Give it a rest and quit scraping at the bottom of the barrel to try and attack other similar sized cities to Columbus to try and boost your hometown. Its extremely pointless.
I wasn't boosting Columbus, I was giving an example of a state that has multiple competing major cities vs. Indiana. Ohio/Columbus seems logical considering they're so often compared. Isn't that what the thread is about? Not sure why you're so upset.
Actually, Franklin County is much larger in land
area with 532.19 than Marion at 396.30 by about 136 sq. miles (that's a
lot). If you were to expand Marion County to equal Franklin County in land
area it's existing population would increase along with the population
growth number total. It would probably come out about the same anyway
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Except that Columbus doesn't include all of Franklin County. Columbus is 217 square miles to Indianapolis' 372 (and part of Columbus' total is outside of Franklin), which is a difference larger than the difference of the 2 core counties. As you say, that's a lot.
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No, not a bigger draw in pulling retail and shoppers away from the core to
the degree that malls like Polaris or Easton are doing to Columbus when it comes
to having an active retail environment downtown.
Columbus' urban retail is spread throughout its downtown-adjacent neighborhoods as well as Downtown itself. Indy has its Downtown and then not much else around it. Polaris and Easton are way out in the suburbs, they're not preventing retail/population growth whatsoever. There's a significant boom going on in both in and around Downtown.
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No not in that sense. Downtown Indy does a much better job pulling people
from around the metro area to come downtown when it comes to retail, events,
activities etc.. Over all Downtown Columbus is dead compared to Indy.
Maybe 10 years ago? Today, I wouldn't be so sure about that.
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The only thing that Columbus has on Indy are it's outer neighborhoods outside of
downtown. However, the neighborhoods in Indy are getting much better and look
forward to more improvements.
Those surrounding neighborhoods are a pretty huge advantage over Indy as several of them are already full matured neighborhoods that don't need much of anything. The actual difference between Downtown Columbus and Indy is pretty quickly closing, so that advantage is going away, if it truly even exists anymore. There is a reason Columbus is a top 15 fastest-growing city and Indy is well... not.
Except that Columbus doesn't include all of Franklin County. Columbus is 217 square miles to Indianapolis' 372 (and part of Columbus' total is outside of Franklin), which is a difference larger than the difference of the 2 core counties. As you say, that's a lot.
Columbus' urban retail is spread throughout its downtown-adjacent neighborhoods as well as Downtown itself. Indy has its Downtown and then not much else around it. Polaris and Easton are way out in the suburbs, they're not preventing retail/population growth whatsoever. There's a significant boom going on in both in and around Downtown.
Maybe 10 years ago? Today, I wouldn't be so sure about that.
Those surrounding neighborhoods are a pretty huge advantage over Indy as several of them are already full matured neighborhoods that don't need much of anything. The actual difference between Downtown Columbus and Indy is pretty quickly closing, so that advantage is going away, if it truly even exists anymore. There is a reason Columbus is a top 15 fastest-growing city and Indy is well... not.[/quote]
Fastest growing in terms of population...? Because I'm going to have to say that's false, they are growing at the same rate, and Indy despite being smaller has a GDP of over $12 billion a year more, pretty significant.
Except that Columbus doesn't include all of Franklin County. Columbus is 217 square miles to Indianapolis' 372 (and part of Columbus' total is outside of Franklin), which is a difference larger than the difference of the 2 core counties. As you say, that's a lot.
Columbus' urban retail is spread throughout its downtown-adjacent neighborhoods as well as Downtown itself. Indy has its Downtown and then not much else around it. Polaris and Easton are way out in the suburbs, they're not preventing retail/population growth whatsoever. There's a significant boom going on in both in and around Downtown.
Maybe 10 years ago? Today, I wouldn't be so sure about that.
Those surrounding neighborhoods are a pretty huge advantage over Indy as several of them are already full matured neighborhoods that don't need much of anything. The actual difference between Downtown Columbus and Indy is pretty quickly closing, so that advantage is going away, if it truly even exists anymore. There is a reason Columbus is a top 15 fastest-growing city and Indy is well... not.
Contrary to popular belief indy is not all of Marion county. You do have the excludes. But to answer your question, Indy has for the most part been steady, even during the recessions whereas the 3 c's esp cinch and cle has not. Indy just past Cleveland in '14 in size of economy and it passed cincy 3rd qtr of 2007 and cbus before that so cbus and cincy Indy has had a larger economy for quite a while (8+ years). Can you point to any particular market, no since GDP is goods/services produced over a given time period (2 years) but convention and sports are Indy monikers that wellWproduce a lot. While cincy and cle have prof sports like Indy, they lack the other sports. The 3 c's has always trailed Indy in conventions so that should not come as a shock. Cbus conv center larger than ICC by a nice clip, yet can't pull conventions to save its life.
Contrary to popular belief indy is not all of Marion county. You do have the excludes. But to answer your question, Indy has for the most part been steady, even during the recessions whereas the 3 c's esp cinch and cle has not. Indy just past Cleveland in '14 in size of economy and it passed cincy 3rd qtr of 2007 and cbus before that so cbus and cincy Indy has had a larger economy for quite a while (8+ years). Can you point to any particular market, no since GDP is goods/services produced over a given time period (2 years) but convention and sports are Indy monikers that wellWproduce a lot. While cincy and cle have prof sports like Indy, they lack the other sports. The 3 c's has always trailed Indy in conventions so that should not come as a shock. Cbus conv center larger than ICC by a nice clip, yet can't pull conventions to save its life.
Hit the nail right on the head. Indy is leaving Cincy and Cleveland behind in economic growth, and it hasn't been at the level of Columbus in many years. One of the main reasons separating Indy and Columbus is the sports presence in Indianapolis, Brickyard 400, Indy 500, Colts, Pacers, and a LOT of amateur and lower league sports, like AAA baseball, and two minor league hockey teams, and a minor league soccer team. Indy makes up for its lack of a major state university like University of Ohio.
Except that Columbus doesn't included all of Franklin County. Columbus is 217 square miles to Indianapolis' 372 (and part of Columbus' total is outside of Franklin), which is a difference larger than the difference of the 2 core counties. As you say, that's a lot.
I stated the difference between both counties since you include Marion County within a bracket. However, you are right that Columbus has less land area than Indianapolis. When it comes to anything within city limits Indy has an advantage over Columbus with more land to handle more development and population (larger tax base). (see Houston) In the long run this give Indy an advantage unless Columbus can annex more land.
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Columbus' urban retail is spread throughout its downtown-adjacent neighborhoods as well as Downtown itself. Indy has its Downtown and then not much else around it. Polaris and Easton are way out in the suburbs, they're not preventing retail/population growth whatsoever. There's a significant boom going on in both in and around Downtown.
I been in Columbus many times. I have yet to see anything worth while to right home about. Having larger malls like Polaris and Easton didn't help City Center did it? So what does the city do. They tear it down to create open space like Commons. Now when the Commons is empty why waste such prime space downtown. Now keep in mind Indy has it's own version of Commons known as the War Memorial so that cancels out any advantage there. Currently, Columbus lack any centralized space vibrant with as much foot traffic like Monument Circle or Circle Center. You have more foot traffic inside Circle Centre during the winter time where as in Columbus that option is lacking behind Indy big time.
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Maybe 10 years ago? Today, I wouldn't be so sure about that.
There have been many more projects added to downtown in the 10 last years (ie new stadium, cultural trails, new grocery store, canal expansion -list goes on etc.) Downtown Indy has more today than what existed 10 years so you're absolutely wrong there. Those additional projects have been built and more is coming. Those are facts to be sure about.
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Those surrounding neighborhoods are a pretty huge advantage over Indy as several of them are already full matured neighborhoods that don't need much of anything. The actual difference between Downtown Columbus and Indy is pretty quickly closing, so that advantage is going away, if it truly even exists anymore. There is a reason Columbus is a top 15 fastest-growing city and Indy is well... not.
Downtown Columbus lacks centralization compared to Indy. The neighborhoods in Columbus are only one aspect of a city but lacks centralization in it's core. It's not as if Indy doesn't have neighborhoods for people to go to but when you can pack the streets of downtown and effectively connect the pedestrians to the neighborhoods via the Cultural Trail network this type of plan is much more practical and comprehensive by comparison. Columbus is less centralized at it's core and is just all over the place lacking that kind of urban continuity.
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