U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
View Poll Results: What major city in America would you say embody what people would view or describe as "American
New York City 35 16.20%
Miami 1 0.46%
Chicago 108 50.00%
Los Angeles 6 2.78%
Dallas 16 7.41%
Washington D.C. 12 5.56%
Atlanta 8 3.70%
Phoenix 6 2.78%
Seattle 1 0.46%
Philadelphia 23 10.65%
Voters: 216. You may not vote on this poll

Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 07-22-2016, 12:15 PM
 
985 posts, read 831,927 times
Reputation: 546

Advertisements

I'd argue none of those; quintessential America is found in the small towns
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-22-2016, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
27,611 posts, read 24,802,203 times
Reputation: 11185
Quote:
Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool View Post
Illinois or Chicago? English spoken in Chicago is very different than Illinois English (Midland). Also, 60622 is a tiiiiiiiiiiiiny portion of the North Side
Illinois. But most transplants to Chicago come from the suburbs of Chicago itself. In 2013, 49,240 Illinois residents moved to Cook County and 38,703 of those residents, or 78.6%, came from a county in the Chicago MSA.

I'm also aware that that zip code is only a tiny portion of the North Side. But I chose that particular zip code (which contains Wicker Park) because I knew it would likely be one of the more transient areas of the city.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-22-2016, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
6,479 posts, read 7,714,517 times
Reputation: 7295
Statistics on immigration and foreign born/overseas born populations between Greater Chicago and Greater Philadelphia.

Immigration from Europe in 2014:
- Greater Chicago: + 6,045
- Greater Philadelphia: + 2,084

Source: the Department of Homeland Security, a branch of the United States Government

https://www.dhs.gov/yearbook-immigra...nent-residents

Total Population of Overseas Born Europeans by Combined Statistical Area (CSA), 2014:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 359,217
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 124,410

Total Foreign Born/Overseas Born People by Combined Statistical Area (CSA) as of 2014:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 1,699,847
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 730,774

Overseas Born in Europe by Region of Europe for Combined Statistical Area (CSA), 2014:

Born in Northern Europe:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 27,209
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 22,147

Born in Western Europe:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 31,165
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 20,023

Born in Southern Europe:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 37,892
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 23,517

Born in Eastern Europe:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 262,128
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 58,508

Overseas Born in Europe by Country of Europe for Combined Statistical Area (CSA), 2014:

Albania:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 6,262
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 4,689

Austria:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 1,816
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 1,315

Belarus:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 5,492
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 2,145

Belgium:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 855
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 557

Bosnia and Herzegovina:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 8,479
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 534

Bulgaria:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 8,659
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 1,880

Croatia:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 4,242
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 747

Czechoslovakia:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 5,955
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 690

Denmark:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 962
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 376

France:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 3,474
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 3,378

Germany:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 20,660
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 13,226

Greece:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 14,760
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 5,131

Hungary:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 1,850
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 661

Ireland:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 7,098
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 3,959

Italy:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 20,027
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 14,550

Latvia:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 1,163
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 242

Lithuania:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 13,285
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 923

Macedonia:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 4,928
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 310

Moldova:
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 1,265
- Greater Chicago CSA: 1,242

the Netherlands:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 3,101
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 1,198

Norway:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 838
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 243

Poland:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 133,023
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 10,308

Portugal:
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 2,744
- Greater Chicago CSA: 434

Romania:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 13,901
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 3,045

Russia:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 13,323
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 12,398

Serbia:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 6,434
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 689

Spain:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 2,561
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 1,092

Sweden:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 1,209
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 654

Switzerland:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 1,117
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 264

Ukraine:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 23,035
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 14,788

United Kingdom:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 16,648
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 16,420

Source: the American Community Survey provided by the United States Census Bureau (www.factfinder2.census.gov)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-22-2016, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
6,479 posts, read 7,714,517 times
Reputation: 7295
Chicago is the most quintessentially American city in the United States.

Chicagoland has characteristics that are standard America. You can go to Greater Atlanta, Greater Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex, the San Francisco Bay Area, Greater Washington, Greater Seattle, so on and so forth and find elements and characteristics that exist in Chicagoland; often to a large degree. Perhaps more than most cities, Chicagoland is better connected with America (really North America in general).

You know how people from certain places tend to migrate to certain places and don't go to certain places. Chicagoans when they leave Chicago have no favorite location among them; they go in all directions to the Southeast, to the Southwest, to the Northwest, to the West, to the Northeast, to the South, to the North.

Greater Chicago's economy mirrors America's as a whole to a close 95%. Chicago maintains strong bonds with America, Mexico, and Canada; exemplified by its economic ties with Toronto (sister cities) and large foreign born Mexican population and trade connections.

Finally, minus the European population, Greater Chicago's demographical profile is close to America as a whole.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-22-2016, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
27,611 posts, read 24,802,203 times
Reputation: 11185
Quote:
Originally Posted by cheese plate View Post
France = Paris
UK = London
USA = New York

Unless you think of another French city before Paris, or another UK city before London. To the rest of the world, the answer is New York.
That's funny because many English consider London to be the least "English" city in England.

Quote:
If the rest of Britain often views London as a planet from outer space, Londoners often view other Britons as beings trapped in a previous century. “London seems no longer part of Britain — in my view, a dreary, narrow place full of fields, boarded-up shops and cities trying to imitate London — but has developed into a semi-independent city-state.” So says Adam, a character in “The Body,” a novel by Hanif Kureishi — one of the sharpest contemporary observers of London life.

It is one of the ironies of capital cities that each acts as a symbol of its nation, and yet few are even remotely representative of it. London has always set itself apart from the rest of Britain — but political, economic and social trends are conspiring to drive that wedge deeper.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/op...t-special.html

Last edited by BajanYankee; 07-22-2016 at 02:59 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-22-2016, 05:11 PM
 
125 posts, read 93,668 times
Reputation: 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by afonega1 View Post
What major city in America would you say embody what people would view or describe as "American"?
In what order would you rank them for the most American versus the least American?

Its may not be accurate but its a matter of perception on what the world identifies us with.So what city does that the "best" and the "least"?
The most "quintessentially" American city is New York City. The city basically represents America and most foreigners think of New York when they think of United States.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-22-2016, 06:06 PM
 
4,801 posts, read 3,441,503 times
Reputation: 2568
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red John View Post
Statistics on immigration and foreign born/overseas born populations between Greater Chicago and Greater Philadelphia.

Immigration from Europe in 2014:
- Greater Chicago: + 6,045
- Greater Philadelphia: + 2,084

Source: the Department of Homeland Security, a branch of the United States Government

https://www.dhs.gov/yearbook-immigra...nent-residents

Total Population of Overseas Born Europeans by Combined Statistical Area (CSA), 2014:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 359,217
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 124,410

Total Foreign Born/Overseas Born People by Combined Statistical Area (CSA) as of 2014:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 1,699,847
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 730,774

Overseas Born in Europe by Region of Europe for Combined Statistical Area (CSA), 2014:

Born in Northern Europe:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 27,209
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 22,147

Born in Western Europe:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 31,165
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 20,023

Born in Southern Europe:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 37,892
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 23,517

Born in Eastern Europe:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 262,128
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 58,508

Overseas Born in Europe by Country of Europe for Combined Statistical Area (CSA), 2014:

Albania:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 6,262
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 4,689

Austria:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 1,816
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 1,315

Belarus:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 5,492
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 2,145

Belgium:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 855
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 557

Bosnia and Herzegovina:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 8,479
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 534

Bulgaria:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 8,659
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 1,880

Croatia:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 4,242
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 747

Czechoslovakia:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 5,955
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 690

Denmark:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 962
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 376

France:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 3,474
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 3,378

Germany:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 20,660
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 13,226

Greece:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 14,760
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 5,131

Hungary:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 1,850
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 661

Ireland:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 7,098
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 3,959

Italy:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 20,027
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 14,550

Latvia:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 1,163
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 242

Lithuania:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 13,285
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 923

Macedonia:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 4,928
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 310

Moldova:
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 1,265
- Greater Chicago CSA: 1,242

the Netherlands:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 3,101
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 1,198

Norway:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 838
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 243

Poland:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 133,023
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 10,308

Portugal:
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 2,744
- Greater Chicago CSA: 434

Romania:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 13,901
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 3,045

Russia:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 13,323
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 12,398

Serbia:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 6,434
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 689

Spain:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 2,561
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 1,092

Sweden:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 1,209
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 654

Switzerland:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 1,117
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 264

Ukraine:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 23,035
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 14,788

United Kingdom:
- Greater Chicago CSA: 16,648
- Greater Philadelphia CSA: 16,420

Source: the American Community Survey provided by the United States Census Bureau (www.factfinder2.census.gov)
Hey look at that! I thought Philly was supposed to be more European influenced?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-22-2016, 06:07 PM
 
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
2,539 posts, read 2,311,201 times
Reputation: 1483
Quote:
Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool View Post
You could argue the same about Brooklyn but that's why I didn't list New York. The non American influence there is super strong. Chinese anyone?

A hot dog is American but based on Vienna sausage (wiener as in Wien for Vienna). Philly's cheesesteak isn't really based on any European counterpart that I know of.

Now as far as the other foods I listed, I agree that they are not European. But Polish sausage? Kielbasa is absolutely not American and Chicago has entire food stands dedicated to selling kielbasa. It is one of Chicago's well known foods.

Is Chicago pizza not eaten in Europe? Of course it isn't. But, it certainly isn't an American standard. New York pizza is. Chicago pizza by definition can't lay claim to being the most American in the same fashion New Haven style can't.

Now you may think the Chicago accent is rare but that sounds like something a Northerner would say. Even young people have it. What nobody in Chicago has is that WISCONSIN bastardized accent used in the Superfan skit. That has never existed in Chicago so no wonder people say the Chicago accent is rare. It isn't rare, most people just don't know how to properly imitate us. Either way, it is kind of a non-American sounding accent due to the heavy Polish, Irish, and German influence. Philly while it had a distinct accent has less "foreign" influence and also is closer to General American.
Just as the Chicago Italian Beef began through Italian restaurateurs. So did the Philly Cheesesteak.

https://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation...he-cheesesteak

excerpt from above sight.....

"two brothers and humble Philly hot dog vendors, Pat and Harry Olivieri, grew tired of plain old hot dogs. Drawing from their family's roots in Abruzzi, Italy, they randomly assembled a combo of bread, seasonings, and "frizzled" beef, which's a term for chopped, crisped meat sadly not invented by the Magic School Bus's teacher. It was the year of our lord, 1930."

But that CHEZ WHIZ.... really perverts the ethnic Italian link..... I'll give you that.

I already discussed the Hot dog.... But our Drivel can't continue. I just felt I had to SHOW the Philly Cheesesteak.... ALSO HAS A ITALIAN LINK.... Most American favorite foods have European roots.... even those seen a AMERICAN.

As for NY pizza. Thin crust CRISPY-STYLE cut into party-size squares. Is the COMMON CHICAGO/MIDWESTERN VARIETY. NOT WHIMPY TRIANGLES COMMON BY ME IN THE EAST.
Any Pizza has a ITALIAN LINK.... To say New York pizza has less? Or none is.....

last time I heard a REAL Chicago accent. Was a cab driver who took a few of us from downtown hotels. To Midway airport a few years go. He was raised near where the Old Chicago Stock Yards were. So again. Southside White old neighborhoods ..... you might still find it. NOTHING LIKE HOW COMMON THE NY/BROOKLYN ACCENT STILL IS TODAY.... SORRY.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-22-2016, 07:40 PM
 
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
2,539 posts, read 2,311,201 times
Reputation: 1483
Quote:
Originally Posted by steeps View Post
My vote goes to Chicago. Some sights also see it this way.....
examples;


Aspects that have Chicago best to be the "Quintessential American City" is in these to me;
  1. Its street-grid is a planned lineal one with some diagonal streets.
  2. Also having a FULL Alleyway system of Full sized alleys where garage access was easy.
  3. All Chicago's power-line poles are strung through these alleys to free fronts from them.
  4. All neighborhoods were with STANDARD Set-backs of housing providing GREEN-SPACE for Trees and no power-lines to worry about and its bungalow belt actual beginnings of front lawns.
  5. Chicago housing stock is also AMERICAN in design.... Row homes are British inspired especially many Eastern cities have.
  6. Oldest stock of homes also has unique styles to its Greystone homes also unique to it.
  7. The Cottage home also was a part of early Chicago most were wood-frame but held up well.
  8. Chicago's CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW belt began in 1910 thru the 1930s being AMERICAN ARCHITECT inspired by Frank Lloyd Wright nearly 1/3 of the city.
  9. Its 50s early 60s the final growth of the city.... has housing that also held up well and kept the same in their ageless exteriors too.
  10. Downtown Chicago is a history of the Skyscraper in its architecture.
The list could go on......

Here just a few ordinary Chicago-style housing early to mid 20th century. NONE ARE EUROPEAN INSPIRED.... Didn't choose its awesome Victorians and more high-end housing.





Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-22-2016, 09:46 PM
 
4,801 posts, read 3,441,503 times
Reputation: 2568
Quote:
Originally Posted by steeps View Post
Just as the Chicago Italian Beef began through Italian restaurateurs. So did the Philly Cheesesteak.

https://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation...he-cheesesteak

excerpt from above sight.....

"two brothers and humble Philly hot dog vendors, Pat and Harry Olivieri, grew tired of plain old hot dogs. Drawing from their family's roots in Abruzzi, Italy, they randomly assembled a combo of bread, seasonings, and "frizzled" beef, which's a term for chopped, crisped meat sadly not invented by the Magic School Bus's teacher. It was the year of our lord, 1930."

But that CHEZ WHIZ.... really perverts the ethnic Italian link..... I'll give you that.

I already discussed the Hot dog.... But our Drivel can't continue. I just felt I had to SHOW the Philly Cheesesteak.... ALSO HAS A ITALIAN LINK.... Most American favorite foods have European roots.... even those seen a AMERICAN.

As for NY pizza. Thin crust CRISPY-STYLE cut into party-size squares. Is the COMMON CHICAGO/MIDWESTERN VARIETY. NOT WHIMPY TRIANGLES COMMON BY ME IN THE EAST.
Any Pizza has a ITALIAN LINK.... To say New York pizza has less? Or none is.....
What other parts of the Midwest serve pizza like that??? Most standard American pizza is modeled after NY style. The majority of the country thinks Chicago style pizza is weird.

Quote:
last time I heard a REAL Chicago accent. Was a cab driver who took a few of us from downtown hotels. To Midway airport a few years go. He was raised near where the Old Chicago Stock Yards were. So again. Southside White old neighborhoods ..... you might still find it. NOTHING LIKE HOW COMMON THE NY/BROOKLYN ACCENT STILL IS TODAY.... SORRY.
Then why are there threads about the NY accent becoming extinct? It is believed that the NY accent has fallen out of favor heavily in recent times. You know why Chicago people have no reason to get rid of their accent? Because they mostly have no idea they even have one.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top