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View Poll Results: Which city is more dangerous in the 90's?
Washington DC 25 36.23%
New York 11 15.94%
Chicago 8 11.59%
Los Angeles 10 14.49%
Detroit 13 18.84%
Philadelphia 2 2.90%
Voters: 69. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-29-2015, 11:37 PM
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Is anybody else tired of the news reporting all the murders. Do reporters not realize murders are not news anymore. It is just every day occurrences. Having this flooding the news every day is just too much negative information to take in every day. Now they have added animals to the list.

It must be a slow news week when what you choose to report about is one person taking another persons life. The murderers don't deserve that much attention.

You forgot to put New Orleans on your poll. I think they are pretty high on murders.
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Old 07-29-2015, 11:58 PM
 
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Is anybody else tired of the news reporting all the murders. Do reporters not realize murders are not news anymore. It is just every day occurrences. Having this flooding the news every day is just too much negative information to take in every day. Now they have added animals to the list.

It must be a slow news week when what you choose to report about is one person taking another persons life. The murderers don't deserve that much attention.

You forgot to put New Orleans on your poll. I think they are pretty high on murders.
I suppose you're referring to that Lion Cecile that the poacher killed? THAT is newsworthy, especially since it was illegal and Cecile was in a protected park with a GPS tracker on him.
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Old 07-30-2015, 12:25 AM
 
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Honestly, as bad as DC was in the 90s, New Orleans was worse. In the mid 90s, they had as many murders as DC with 100,000 less people.
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Old 07-30-2015, 03:23 AM
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All US cities of 250,000 residents or more (using current populations), and their average yearly violent crime rates per 100k residents, from 1990 through 1995:

1. Atlanta, GA - 3874.1
2. Miami, FL - 3832.4
3. Newark, NJ - 3732.6
4. St. Louis, MO - 3539.7
5. Tampa, FL - 3323.1
6. Chicago, IL - 2787.8
7. Baltimore, MD - 2785.5
8. Washington DC - 2664.7
9. Detroit, MI - 2619.6
10. Kansas City, MO - 2562.5
11. Los Angeles, CA - 2309.6
12. Oakland, CA - 2297.6 (from 1990-1994...no 1995 stats)
13. New Orleans, LA - 2098.2
14. Charlotte-Mecklenburg, NC - 2085.6
15. New York City, NY - 2062.3
16. Boston, MA - 2015.7
17. Dallas, TX - 1990.5
18. Buffalo, NY - 1896.6
19. Portland, OR - 1852.3
20. Mobile, AL - 1788.8
21. Minneapolis, MN - 1774.7 (from 1991-1995...no 1990 stats)
22. Cleveland, OH - 1688.4
23. Nashville, TN - 1659.1
24. San Francisco, CA - 1656.6
25. Long Beach, CA - 1654.9
26. Jacksonville, FL - 1638.3
27. Fort Worth, TX - 1610.3
28. Memphis, TN - 1572.4
29. Indianapolis, IN - 1500.7
30. Aurora, CO - 1472.8
31. Albuquerque, NM - 1448.4
32. Stockton, CA - 1446.6
33. Cincinnati, OH - 1420.1
34. Fresno, CA - 1417.1
35. Houston, TX - 1416.4
36. Philadelphia, PA - 1325.5
37. Seattle, WA - 1290.7
38. Oklahoma City, OK - 1287.1
39. Tulsa, OK - 1278.1
40. Sacramento, CA - 1199.1
41. Pittsburgh, PA - 1170.1
42. San Diego, CA - 1130.6
43. Phoenix, AZ - 1095.8
44. Columbus, OH - 1086.5
45. Tucson, AZ - 1033.9
46. Santa Ana, CA - 1012.7
47. Milwaukee, WI - 1009.1
48. El Paso, TX - 1006.1
49. Toledo, OH - 998.3
50. Louisville, KY - 992.2
51. Las Vegas, NV - 991.5
52. St. Paul, MN - 982.7
53. Denver, CO - 976.9
54. Omaha, NE - 974.7
55. Bakersfield, CA - 922.7
56. Corpus Christi, TX - 844.4
57. Raleigh, NC - 852.6
58. Anchorage, AK - 827.5
59. Wichita, KS - 799.8
60. Arlington, TX - 799.6
61. Glendale, AZ - 783.9
62. Anaheim, CA - 758.0
63. Mesa, AZ - 717.8
64. San Jose, CA - 686.4
65. San Antonio, TX - 664.2
66. Austin, TX - 655.9
67. Colorado Springs, CO - 482.9
68. Plano, TX - 361.1
69. Honolulu, HI - 283.5
70. Virginia Beach, VA - 262.4
71. Chandler, AZ - 249.7
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:39 AM
 
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1990 or 91 Nyc had over 2000 plus murders,The infamous Bloods vs Latin kings gang war from the streets to rikers island .

L.A had 1000 plus murders consecutively from 91-93 along with the worst riots in u.s history in 92 .

The N.y vs L.A rap war that saw 2 of the biggest rap stars murdered at the height of their career .Every city was bad in the 90s but the impact in L.A & N.y is why they're so different today, Nyc has police damn near everywhere, L.A with 3 strike laws & now sherrifs patrolling certain areas, The impact of L.A gangs all over America can give you a deeper level of impact on how bad things were .
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Old 07-30-2015, 07:20 AM
 
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All US cities of 250,000 residents or more (using current populations), and their average yearly violent crime rates per 100k residents, from 1990 through 1995:

1. Atlanta, GA - 3874.1
2. Miami, FL - 3832.4
3. Newark, NJ - 3732.6
4. St. Louis, MO - 3539.7
5. Tampa, FL - 3323.1
6. Chicago, IL - 2787.8
7. Baltimore, MD - 2785.5
8. Washington DC - 2664.7
9. Detroit, MI - 2619.6
10. Kansas City, MO - 2562.5
11. Los Angeles, CA - 2309.6
12. Oakland, CA - 2297.6 (from 1990-1994...no 1995 stats)
13. New Orleans, LA - 2098.2
14. Charlotte-Mecklenburg, NC - 2085.6
15. New York City, NY - 2062.3
16. Boston, MA - 2015.7
17. Dallas, TX - 1990.5
18. Buffalo, NY - 1896.6
19. Portland, OR - 1852.3
20. Mobile, AL - 1788.8
21. Minneapolis, MN - 1774.7 (from 1991-1995...no 1990 stats)
22. Cleveland, OH - 1688.4
23. Nashville, TN - 1659.1
24. San Francisco, CA - 1656.6
25. Long Beach, CA - 1654.9
26. Jacksonville, FL - 1638.3
27. Fort Worth, TX - 1610.3
28. Memphis, TN - 1572.4
29. Indianapolis, IN - 1500.7
30. Aurora, CO - 1472.8
31. Albuquerque, NM - 1448.4
32. Stockton, CA - 1446.6
33. Cincinnati, OH - 1420.1
34. Fresno, CA - 1417.1
35. Houston, TX - 1416.4
36. Philadelphia, PA - 1325.5
37. Seattle, WA - 1290.7
38. Oklahoma City, OK - 1287.1
39. Tulsa, OK - 1278.1
40. Sacramento, CA - 1199.1
41. Pittsburgh, PA - 1170.1
42. San Diego, CA - 1130.6
43. Phoenix, AZ - 1095.8
44. Columbus, OH - 1086.5
45. Tucson, AZ - 1033.9
46. Santa Ana, CA - 1012.7
47. Milwaukee, WI - 1009.1
48. El Paso, TX - 1006.1
49. Toledo, OH - 998.3
50. Louisville, KY - 992.2
51. Las Vegas, NV - 991.5
52. St. Paul, MN - 982.7
53. Denver, CO - 976.9
54. Omaha, NE - 974.7
55. Bakersfield, CA - 922.7
56. Corpus Christi, TX - 844.4
57. Raleigh, NC - 852.6
58. Anchorage, AK - 827.5
59. Wichita, KS - 799.8
60. Arlington, TX - 799.6
61. Glendale, AZ - 783.9
62. Anaheim, CA - 758.0
63. Mesa, AZ - 717.8
64. San Jose, CA - 686.4
65. San Antonio, TX - 664.2
66. Austin, TX - 655.9
67. Colorado Springs, CO - 482.9
68. Plano, TX - 361.1
69. Honolulu, HI - 283.5
70. Virginia Beach, VA - 262.4
71. Chandler, AZ - 249.7
That's interesting. I would have never imagined that Philly would have a lower violent crime rate than San Francisco during the early 90s.
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Old 07-30-2015, 11:16 AM
 
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There are different ways to interpret "most dangerous". However, I'm going to stick to the cities listed by the OP, and by any objective, honest answer, DC and Detroit blow the others away, and it's not even close. DC actually had a higher peak murder rate, but Detroit has been so violent over a much longer period of time....

The other cities, Chicago was slightly more dangerous than Philly. But NY and LA, again, by any objective look at the data, have NEVER been worse than many cities. At their worst (NY in '90, LA in '92) they were still far less deadly than DC and Detroit. The two biggest cities just provided the biggest numbers....none of this is to discount the thousands of people who either lost lives or were affected by violent crime in either city, because that **** is very real! But a "most dangerous" list shouldn't include NY or LA unless there's a population threshold....

Now, which cities influenced crime on a large scale is a totally different topic than the OP asked for. Both NY and LA, for a clear variety of reasons, probably influenced more criminal actions than the other cities combined, that isn't a lie....but DC (at its criminal worst) and Detroit (from any era of record-keeping) are historically two of the most violent, murderous cities this nation ever saw...
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Old 07-30-2015, 12:01 PM
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That's interesting. I would have never imagined that Philly would have a lower violent crime rate than San Francisco during the early 90s.
Yeah it is kind of surprising. SF has the higher violent crime rate going back to at least 1985 too (can't find older stats). Philly has had the higher rate since 1996 though, and has always had a much higher murder rate than SF, and a higher rape rate. SF had the higher total violent crime rate in the past because it had a significantly higher robbery and assault rate than Philly.

The city that surprises me most though is Portland, OR, with an average violent crime rate of 1852.3 during the early 90s ( which is basically the rate that Oakland has now). It's mostly because of a very high assault rate...the rape rate was really high too compared to many other cities, though robbery and murder were relatively low.

Here are some more stats:

Cities that had more than 100 murders from 1990-1995:

1. New York City, NY - 11,078
2. Los Angeles, CA - 5,874
3. Chicago, IL - 5,311
4. Detroit, MI - 3,387
5. Houston, TX - 2,778
6. Philadelphia, PA - 2,643
7. Washington DC - 2,611
8. Dallas, TX - 2,222
9. New Orleans, LA - 2,110
10. Baltimore, MD - 1,940
11. St. Louis, MO - 1,387
12. Atlanta, GA - 1,212
13. San Antonio, TX - 1,191
14. Memphis, TN - 1,078
15. Phoenix, AZ - 995
16. Cleveland, OH - 928
17. Oakland, CA - 907
18. Milwaukee, WI - 898
19. Fort Worth, TX - 851
20. Kansas City, MO - 808
21. San Diego, CA - 785
22. Richmond, VA - 738
23. Jacksonville, FL - 735
24. Miami, FL - 735
25. San Francisco, CA - 638
26. Columbus, OH - 622
27. Boston, MA - 608
28. Charlotte-Mecklenburg, NC - 604
29. Las Vegas, NV - 595
30. Long Beach, CA - 590
31. Newark, NJ - 581
32. Oklahoma City, OK - 557
33. Nashville, TN - 510
34. Indianapolis, IN - 499
35. Gary, IN - 487
36. Denver, CO - 486
37. Jackson, MS - 447
38. Compton, CA - 445
39. Fresno, CA - 441
40. Norfolk, VA - 404
41. Buffalo, NY - 391
42. Santa Ana, CA - 384
43. Minneapolis, MN - 372
44. Baton Rouge, LA - 367
45. Shreveport, LA - 362
46. Sacramento, CA - 358
47. San Bernardino, CA - 336
48. Seattle, WA - 333
49. Rochester, NY - 329
50. Tampa, FL - 319
51. Pittsburgh, PA - 317
52. Little Rock, AR - 312
53. Bridgeport, CT - 308
54. Flint, MI - 306
55. Dayton, OH - 303
56. Stockton, CA - 290
57. Portland, OR - 283
58. Cincinnati, OH - 279
59. Albuquerque, NM - 275
60. Richmond, CA - 273
61. Camden, NJ - 271
62. Inglewood, CA - 269
63. Louisville, KY - 260
64. Tulsa, OK - 258
65. El Paso, TX - 255
66. Austin, TX - 252
67. Mobile, AL - 251
68. San Jose, CA - 243
69. Tucson, AZ - 242
70. Toledo, OH - 236
71. Chattanooga, TN - 221
72. Pomona, CA - 209
73. Savannah, GA - 204
74. Wichita, KS - 202
75. Honolulu, HI - 198
76. Riverside, CA - 188
77. Winston-Salem, NC - 180
78. Tacoma, WA - 179
79. Portsmouth, VA - 176
80. Hartford, CT - 174
81. New Haven, CT - 170
82. Corpus Christi, TX - 169
83. Durham, NC - 169
84. Greensboro, NC - 162
85. Anaheim, CA - 162
86. Ft. Lauderdale, FL - 160
87. Jersey City, NJ - 157
88. Knoxville, TN - 152
89. Bakersfield, CA - 152
90. Omaha, NE - 150
91. Newport News, VA - 149
92. Fort Wayne, IN - 147
93. Raleigh, NC - 143
94. Akron, OH - 142
95. St. Paul, MN - 139
96. Saginaw, MI - 139
97. Virginia Beach, VA - 137
98. Waco, TX - 136
99. Lynwood, CA - 136
100. Providence, RI - 134
101. Grand Rapids, MI - 133
102. West Palm Beach, FL - 130
103. Ontario, CA - 129
104. Anchorage, AK - 126
105. Beaumont, TX - 119
106. Salt Lake City, UT - 119
107. Galveston, TX - 118
108. Fayetteville, NC - 116
109. Columbia, SC - 113
110. Laredo, TX - 109
111. Amarillo, TX - 106
112. Lubbock, TX - 104
113. El Monte, CA - 104
114. Pasadena, CA - 102
115. Colorado Springs, CO - 102
116. East Palo Alto, CA - 101
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Old 07-30-2015, 12:34 PM
 
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All US cities of 250,000 residents or more (using current populations), and their average yearly violent crime rates per 100k residents, from 1990 through 1995:

1. Atlanta, GA - 3874.1
2. Miami, FL - 3832.4
3. Newark, NJ - 3732.6
4. St. Louis, MO - 3539.7
5. Tampa, FL - 3323.1
6. Chicago, IL - 2787.8
7. Baltimore, MD - 2785.5
8. Washington DC - 2664.7
9. Detroit, MI - 2619.6
10. Kansas City, MO - 2562.5
11. Los Angeles, CA - 2309.6
12. Oakland, CA - 2297.6 (from 1990-1994...no 1995 stats)
13. New Orleans, LA - 2098.2
14. Charlotte-Mecklenburg, NC - 2085.6
15. New York City, NY - 2062.3
16. Boston, MA - 2015.7
17. Dallas, TX - 1990.5
18. Buffalo, NY - 1896.6
19. Portland, OR - 1852.3
20. Mobile, AL - 1788.8
21. Minneapolis, MN - 1774.7 (from 1991-1995...no 1990 stats)
22. Cleveland, OH - 1688.4
23. Nashville, TN - 1659.1
24. San Francisco, CA - 1656.6
25. Long Beach, CA - 1654.9
26. Jacksonville, FL - 1638.3
27. Fort Worth, TX - 1610.3
28. Memphis, TN - 1572.4
29. Indianapolis, IN - 1500.7
30. Aurora, CO - 1472.8
31. Albuquerque, NM - 1448.4
32. Stockton, CA - 1446.6
33. Cincinnati, OH - 1420.1
34. Fresno, CA - 1417.1
35. Houston, TX - 1416.4
36. Philadelphia, PA - 1325.5
37. Seattle, WA - 1290.7
38. Oklahoma City, OK - 1287.1
39. Tulsa, OK - 1278.1
40. Sacramento, CA - 1199.1
41. Pittsburgh, PA - 1170.1
42. San Diego, CA - 1130.6
43. Phoenix, AZ - 1095.8
44. Columbus, OH - 1086.5
45. Tucson, AZ - 1033.9
46. Santa Ana, CA - 1012.7
47. Milwaukee, WI - 1009.1
48. El Paso, TX - 1006.1
49. Toledo, OH - 998.3
50. Louisville, KY - 992.2
51. Las Vegas, NV - 991.5
52. St. Paul, MN - 982.7
53. Denver, CO - 976.9
54. Omaha, NE - 974.7
55. Bakersfield, CA - 922.7
56. Corpus Christi, TX - 844.4
57. Raleigh, NC - 852.6
58. Anchorage, AK - 827.5
59. Wichita, KS - 799.8
60. Arlington, TX - 799.6
61. Glendale, AZ - 783.9
62. Anaheim, CA - 758.0
63. Mesa, AZ - 717.8
64. San Jose, CA - 686.4
65. San Antonio, TX - 664.2
66. Austin, TX - 655.9
67. Colorado Springs, CO - 482.9
68. Plano, TX - 361.1
69. Honolulu, HI - 283.5
70. Virginia Beach, VA - 262.4
71. Chandler, AZ - 249.7
Source? I may be missing it, but I can't seem to find Greensboro NC on the list.
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Old 07-30-2015, 12:38 PM
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Source? I may be missing it, but I can't seem to find Greensboro NC on the list.
You're right, I guess I forgot to include it. The source is the FBI: Uniform Crime Reporting Statistics

Greensboro had an average yearly violent crime rate of 944.9 from 1990 through 1995, which would put it between Bakersfield and Omaha in the ranking.
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