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Some people are trying to imply that Minneapolis has a higher crime rate than Pittsburgh, and others are trying to imply that Minneapolis is sterile and squeaky-clean.
Which one is it?
There's quite an awful lot of grit in Minneapolis. However, there really isn't any wide-scale abandonment or urban prairies like you find in some neighborhoods of Pittsburgh.
There's quite an awful lot of grit in Minneapolis. However, there really isn't any wide-scale abandonment or urban prairies like you find in some neighborhoods of Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh probably does have more blight than Minneapolis, since we had a much steeper population decline. But compared to other rust belt cities, blight is relatively minor here. You don't see one side of the city almost entirely trashed, like you do with cities like Cleveland or Saint Louis. Out of the 90 official neighborhoods we have, probably around 10 are highly blighted, with an equal number showing significant gaps due to demolition.
One thing we really don't have much of is urban prairie. Partially this is because prairie implies flat empty areas due to demolition. Pittsburgh has never had tons of flat land compared to most cities, and most of the flat neighborhoods have remained relatively desirable. Californa-Kirkbride and Homewood are the only two flat areas I can think of where entire city blocks have been demolished (discounting areas being cleared in preparation for redevelopment).
The more common thing in Pittsburgh is the slow abandonment/demolition of houses on steep slopes and winding roads, which basically results in forestland taking back over, with the remaining houses on the street increasingly looking like some backwoods part of West Virginia. This is one of the most extreme examples I know of.Here's another. And another.
Note that not all blighted neighborhoods in Pittsburgh are dangerous ghettos. Spring Garden looks like **** in places, but it's not particularly high crime.
Well, you're pretty misinformed. People aren't moving away from the Pittsburgh area en masse, or at all. That happened more than 30 years ago when the steel industry collapsed. As a result Pgh had an older population for most of the past 30 years, but now the demographics have changed and more people are moving in than leaving. The population has stabilized.
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Originally Posted by Craziaskowboi
They're not doing that in Pittsburgh, though. Here's the real problem:
On the other hand, notice how more people are moving in than out.
Save your statements as templates, so that you can just keep Copy and Pasting. Because you're gonna have to keep explaining this Over and Over and Over again.
People really have this overly simplistic view of "Loss of Population =People fleeing in droves" like there can't be any other explanation.
Reading these forums, I can't help but feel like MSP is pretty over hyped.
LOL! Overhyped when compared to whom? MSP does very well for itself and has more to offer (in some cases a lot more) than most metros in the 1 - 4 million range, including Phoenix. That said, why don't you get off your computer or phone and visit instead making such ridiculous statements?
Pittsburgh practically has the same amount of 20 somethings as Minneapolis.
According to the 2010 Census, Minneapolis had 124,395 people in the 20 - 34 age range, Pittsburgh had 93,952. With St. Paul there were 201,302 so no, it's not that close.
As of 2013, the 20 - 34 age range for the core cities: MPLS - STPL: 208,391, Pittsburgh: 94,015.
According to the 2010 Census, Minneapolis had 124,395 people in the 20 - 34 age range, Pittsburgh had 93,952. With St. Paul there were 201,302 so no, it's not that close.
As of 2013, the 20 - 34 age range for the core cities: MPLS - STPL: 208,391, Pittsburgh: 94,015.
So you are adding another city, and comparing an area in Minnesota that is more than twice the land area as the city of Pittsburgh limits? and you think that's a valid comparison?
So you are adding another city, and comparing an area in Minnesota that is more than twice the land area as the city of Pittsburgh limits? and you think that's a valid comparison?
for any meaningful comparison you need to use comparables. meaning probably msa or urban area, not selectively picked city limit populations. Pittsburgh is more connected to the immediate cities surrounding it than Minneapolis is to St. Paul. But it's surrounding urban areas were not included in YIMBY's post.
you are going to get skewed results when comparing stats on a land area in Minnestoa that's more than twice as large as the one in Pittsburgh. this shouldn't be difficult to understand.
for any meaningful comparison you need to use comparables. meaning probably msa or urban area, not selectively picked city limit populations. Pittsburgh is more connected to the immediate cities surrounding it than Minneapolis is to St. Paul. But it's surrounding urban areas were not included.
you are going to get skewed results when comparing stats on a land area in Minnestoa that's more than twice as large as the one in Pittsburgh. this shouldn't be difficult to understand.
It's really tough, though, to draw the "lines" here. For example, Pittsburgh seamlessly flows into adjacent municipalities like Edgewood, Swissvale, Wilkinsburg, Mt. Oliver, and Dormont. With that being said Minneapolis also flows pretty seamlessly into Edina (do a Google Street View of South France Avenue & W. 50th St. as a prime example). St. Paul and Maplewood (home of 3M) flow pretty seamlessly into one another as well.
It's really tough, though, to draw the "lines" here. For example, Pittsburgh seamlessly flows into adjacent municipalities like Edgewood, Swissvale, Wilkinsburg, Mt. Oliver, and Dormont. With that being said Minneapolis also flows pretty seamlessly into Edina (do a Google Street View of South France Avenue & W. 50th St. as a prime example). St. Paul and Maplewood (home of 3M) flow pretty seamlessly into one another as well.
yup, which is why for most of these types of things, urban area or just MSA is used. but at the minimum, if someone was summing up city limits, they should at least try to get comparable land areas to compare.
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