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That seems about right to me. Obama won 84.8% of the Clayton County vote in 2012. African Americans comprise 2/3rds of the population, but they are obviously going to represent a lower share of the electorate. I don't see how he gets to nearly 85% without a very sizable chunk of the White vote. He couldn't make up the difference with Hispanic voters since they have the lowest turnout rate of any demographic.
Black voters may actually have been a greater share of the electorate than the total population in Clayton County, since many of the non-black residents are Hispanic or Asian (heavily non-citizen) rather than non-Hispanic white. Additionally, unlike in past elections, blacks appear to have had higher turnout than whites in 2012 - which resulted in Obama actually getting higher vote percentages in many Deep South counties than in 2008 despite losing ground nationally.
Interesting metric, but it also leaves out how Conservative other religions are. For instance, many Catholics and definitely Mormons are just as "conservative" as Southern Baptists.
Conservative Catholics generally aren't as imposing with their conservatism though as Baptists are. For instance they may be against gay marriage but they are less likely to be actively pushing for anti-gay laws. Catholics are more divided between Democrat and Republican while Baptists are pretty exclusively Republican these days. Also, in Catholic areas, you aren't going to have near prohibitionist restrictions on alcohol like you have in Oklahoma and Utah.
The one conservative denomination in addition to Baptists that does have a big impact is the Pentacostals and the "non-denominational" churches, many of which are really Baptist but they don't call themselves that.
Really, Oklahoma City and Colorado Springs are the ONLY two metro areas over 1 million that live up to their conservative reputation. Phoenix is Republican but it is more libertarian and doesn't have the evangelical/religious aspect that OKC and Colorado Springs do. Anything else over 1 million in this country is going to be center-left to left-leaning.
Colorado Springs is growing but far short of one million residents. While there are some large evangelical organizations based locally, that isn't the only reason it tends to vote Republican. Many residents work for the military or defense contractors, which tend to receive greater funding relative to other domestic expenditures during Republican administrations.
I would say Salt Lake City is a conservative major metro area in some respects, but it is progressive in terms of features like the urban infrastructure development with its rail system.
Black voters may actually have been a greater share of the electorate than the total population in Clayton County, since many of the non-black residents are Hispanic or Asian (heavily non-citizen) rather than non-Hispanic white. Additionally, unlike in past elections, blacks appear to have had higher turnout than whites in 2012 - which resulted in Obama actually getting higher vote percentages in many Deep South counties than in 2008 despite losing ground nationally.
In 2010 Clayton County was 18.9% white. Non-Hispanic white was only 14.1% however. It's also plausible that white flight knocked down the percentage a bit by 2012. That said, I'd also expect that white flight will eventually mean the residual population is more Democratic leaning - those people most likely to leave will probably disproportionately vote Republican in national elections after all.
Black voters may actually have been a greater share of the electorate than the total population in Clayton County, since many of the non-black residents are Hispanic or Asian (heavily non-citizen) rather than non-Hispanic white. Additionally, unlike in past elections, blacks appear to have had higher turnout than whites in 2012 - which resulted in Obama actually getting higher vote percentages in many Deep South counties than in 2008 despite losing ground nationally.
I haven't seen that happen anywhere. Even in affluent Black counties like Prince George's, Whites still have higher turnout rates than Blacks.
I haven't seen that happen anywhere. Even in affluent Black counties like Prince George's, Whites still have higher turnout rates than Blacks.
See table 4b from the attached link - Voting and Registration in the Election of November 2012. While there is a margin of error, at the national level 64.1% of non-Hispanic white citizens voted in 2012, while 66.2% of black citizens voted.
State estimates are also in the same file, with less precision - in GA the respective proportions are 62.0% for non-Hispanic white citizens and 65.0% for black citizens.
Additionally, it is also possible for whites to have higher turnout than blacks, but blacks to have higher turnout than the overall population. Prince George's County, MD is one example where the non-black population is also increasingly non-white. As of 2015, the county is estimated to be 17% Hispanic and 14% white non-Hispanic. Prince George's County Maryland QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau
Colorado Springs is growing but far short of one million residents. While there are some large evangelical organizations based locally, that isn't the only reason it tends to vote Republican. Many residents work for the military or defense contractors, which tend to receive greater funding relative to other domestic expenditures during Republican administrations.
I would say Salt Lake City is a conservative major metro area in some respects, but it is progressive in terms of features like the urban infrastructure development with its rail system.
Agree. Both Salt Lake and COS (pop 700,000) are conservative examples of larger areas. Salt Lake has really changed in the last 10 to 20 years.
I was born in Denver, live in the Springs, but spent my adolescent years in SLC (1960's). I would never had imagined that today Salt Lake would be seen as a gay-friendly mecca of sorts with a Democrat, female, lesbian mayor.
Yes, the LDS still run things in Utah, but the social climate continues to evolve.
Most major cities are Democrat and liberal within city limits, so its more accurate to look at the region as a whole.
Charlotte isn't that liberal. In fact its Charlotte's decision to allow men into women's bathrooms that prompted the North Carolina state law to begin with. Charlotte has large numbers of northern transplants and illegal immigrants.
Miami is surprisingly conservative for a region of its demographics. Cuban Americans are generally Republican and conservative due to their experience with communism and socialism though this is becoming less true of the young generation unfortunately.
Charleston SC is conservative because it is a traditional Southern city, and because of the military there and the military tends to be conservative. Also a lot of retired military folks too adding to this. Richmond, VA and Virginia Beach are also relatively conservative.
People mention San Diego but its only conservative by California standards, same with Orange County, and besides you will still be living under the California state government. The average Orange County resident is nowhere as conservative as your average South Carolinian, Texan or Georgian. Just like how many of the Baltimore suburbs are quintissential Donald Trump country, but the state of Maryland is dominated by the yuppies in suburban DC and the ghetto Democrats in Baltimore's inner city.
I don't know whether you would consider Charleston, WV a major city (about 200,000 in the metro area, 500,000 if you combine it with the Huntington area), but here, even in the hip eclectic bars and restaurants, people still talk about how much they hate Obama and Hillary, the war on coal, religious freedom issues, etc. There are no BLM activities here, but many African Americans attended the Donald Trump rally. Even West Virginia's college towns don't have the crazy liberal vibe. Morgantown may be known for the drinking and clubbing kind of liberal social mores, but I don't see anything like the stuff at Mizzou, the University of Houston or the University of California schools happening there.
Colorado Springs is growing but far short of one million residents. While there are some large evangelical organizations based locally, that isn't the only reason it tends to vote Republican. Many residents work for the military or defense contractors, which tend to receive greater funding relative to other domestic expenditures during Republican administrations.
I would say Salt Lake City is a conservative major metro area in some respects, but it is progressive in terms of features like the urban infrastructure development with its rail system.
So why and how is a "conservative " city progressive?Salt Lake City is the only major city that could be both.
So how does a city like Atlanta which is overall progressive in many ways still be conservative?
Especially when so many of these threads seem to believe Progessive=liberal.
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Conservative Catholics generally aren't as imposing with their conservatism though as Baptists are.
Ha! Think about Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Bobby Jindal, Chris Christie, Paul Ryan, John Boehner, Rick Santorum and tell me that again.
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