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So basically people's argument for SF/SJ working but DC/Baltimore not working is that Baltimore has more of an identity?
Okay...but nobody actually claims that Baltimore is a part of DC though. The whole reason the DC CSA is looked at such a power force but MSA considerably less so is because of the dual metro combination. I have hardly ever heard anybody say it's all DC's doing.
Also, aren't people who are arguing for SJ as part of SF basically saying San Jose is typical suburbia without it's own identity?
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So basically people's argument for SF/SJ working but DC/Baltimore not working is that Baltimore has more of an identity?
Okay...but nobody actually claims that Baltimore is a part of DC though. The whole reason the DC CSA is looked at such a power force but MSA considerably less so is because of the dual metro combination. I have hardly ever heard anybody say it's all DC's doing.
Also, aren't people who are arguing for SJ as part of SF basically saying San Jose is typical suburbia without it's own identity?
Whatever argument people use for The Bay CSA, also works for D.C./Baltimore. I honestly think it's just the different jurisdictions thing, as opposed to one state, holding people up. If we're gonna use this inflated metric (and I don't think we should), then there's really not one region where it "works" substantially better than others.
Spend a lot of time in both DC and SF, and there's a big difference between the CSAs. SJ has the same techie economy as SF, with Google, Facebook, etc shuttling workers from SF down to the Valley. Key is that pay scales between the two areas are very similar, as are housing costs and education levels. That is definitely not the case in DC-Balt.
If you live in SF, you'll likely have friends who work near SJ, and vice versa. Much, much less likely to see that in DC-Balt, especially with so much of the DC economy growing in the other direction into Virginia. I've lived here (at least part-time) for 18 years and anyone I've met who works in Maryland is off of a metro stop, or a 270 exit less than 10 miles from the DC border. It would be the equivalent of the Bay Area having very few jobs south of SFO.
Also, imagine if the Ravens played on the DC border, think anyone would call them Baltimore? And if the Redskins played near BWI they would lose any right to be called "Washington". No way a team here could pull off the move the Niners did.
Cleveland feels more like Baltimore than DC does. A better analogy for SF-SJ is DC-Dulles Corridor. CSA definition works there, but definitely not here.
Good post but don't waste your time, there is only a handful or so of somewhat vocal posters who take issue with this and they clearly don't even know or understand what they are talking about most of the time.
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Spend a lot of time in both DC and SF, and there's a big difference between the CSAs. SJ has the same techie economy as SF, with Google, Facebook, etc shuttling workers from SF down to the Valley. Key is that pay scales between the two areas are very similar, as are housing costs and education levels. That is definitely not the case in DC-Balt.
If you live in SF, you'll likely have friends who work near SJ, and vice versa. Much, much less likely to see that in DC-Balt, especially with so much of the DC economy growing in the other direction into Virginia. I've lived here (at least part-time) for 18 years and anyone I've met who works in Maryland is off of a metro stop, or a 270 exit less than 10 miles from the DC border. It would be the equivalent of the Bay Area having very few jobs south of SFO.
Also, imagine if the Ravens played on the DC border, think anyone would call them Baltimore? And if the Redskins played near BWI they would lose any right to be called "Washington". No way a team here could pull off the move the Niners did.
Cleveland feels more like Baltimore than DC does. A better analogy for SF-SJ is DC-Dulles Corridor. CSA definition works there, but definitely not here.
Culturally they're distinct, yes, but on geographic and commuting patterns, it's all one big metro, at this point. It makes no sense to single out the Bay as the only "correct" CSA, if we're gonna use this ridiculous, inflated metric, when Baltimore and D.C. are literally closer geographically.
So yes, the Bay is much more culturally unified (though not completely. It's still Oakland sports teams vs San Francisco teams in the two most popular sports). It's also more economically similar than D.C./Baltimore (though Baltimore is more white collar these days).
But if we're going off pure geography, D.C. and Baltimore are already one. It's already Baltimore Washington International. And culturally, they do share some attributes. I greatly foresee the day when they're actually part of the same MSA, a less inflated metric in my eyes.
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Good post but don't waste your time, there is only a handful or so of somewhat vocal posters who take issue with this and they clearly don't even know or understand what they are talking about most of the time.
Not to be a gossiper, but I think he might be gay.
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