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View Poll Results: Most Powerful City in the Midwest outside of Chi Det and Min
St Louis 41 35.65%
Indianapolis 15 13.04%
Cleveland 31 26.96%
Milwaukee 6 5.22%
Omaha 4 3.48%
Columbus 4 3.48%
Other? Explain 1 0.87%
Cincinnatti 3 2.61%
Louisville 1 0.87%
Kansas City 9 7.83%
Voters: 115. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-17-2015, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Looking at Cleveland alone is misleading because Northeast Ohio has multiple cities, none of which completely dominates, and I'd argue that Cleveland + Akron + Canton + Youngstown is more powerful than Detroit or Minneapolis. Northeast Ohio is really unique in the midwest, where it's mostly single large cities surrounded by farmland or small towns. Northeast Ohio has 4 (5 if you include Lorain-Elyria) dominant core cities, surrounded by suburbs, with relatively small swaths of forests and farmland in between.

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Old 08-17-2015, 07:26 PM
 
Location: NYC/CLE
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Northeast Ohio is really more of a region than a single dominant city, and I'd argue that Cleveland + Akron + Canton + Youngstown is more powerful than Detroit or Minneapolis. Northeast Ohio is really unique in the midwest, where it's mostly single large cities surrounded by farmland or small towns. Northeast Ohio has 4 (5 if you include Lorain-Elyria) dominant core cities, surrounded by suburbs, with relatively small swaths of forests and farmland in between.
I love Cleveland, but there is no way its more powerful then Detroit as a metro. MSP is debatable however
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Old 08-17-2015, 07:36 PM
 
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I love Cleveland, but there is no way its more powerful then Detroit as a metro. MSP is debatable however
Hmmm.....nah, I don't think so...
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Old 08-17-2015, 10:00 PM
 
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Looking at Cleveland alone is misleading because Northeast Ohio has multiple cities, none of which completely dominates, and I'd argue that Cleveland + Akron + Canton + Youngstown is more powerful than Detroit or Minneapolis. Northeast Ohio is really unique in the midwest, where it's mostly single large cities surrounded by farmland or small towns. Northeast Ohio has 4 (5 if you include Lorain-Elyria) dominant core cities, surrounded by suburbs, with relatively small swaths of forests and farmland in between.
Ah...no it's not. By the way, you might have forgotten, but Detroit + Ann Arbor + Flint + Port Huron + Toledo exists just for argument sake.
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Old 08-17-2015, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Ah...no it's not. By the way, you might have forgotten, but Detroit + Ann Arbor + Flint + Port Huron + Toledo exists just for argument sake.
+ Windsor
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Old 08-17-2015, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Miami, Floroda
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STL easily. The others seem to fit the structure of they are just big cities in their respective states, but STL doesn't fit that bill.
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Old 08-17-2015, 10:25 PM
 
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+ Windsor
oh yeah....I forgot!
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Old 08-17-2015, 10:25 PM
 
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STL easily. The others seem to fit the structure of they are just big cities in their respective states, but STL doesn't fit that bill.
Please explain how it's different, and more powerful.
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Old 08-17-2015, 11:29 PM
 
Location: MPLS/CHI
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Looking at Cleveland alone is misleading because Northeast Ohio has multiple cities, none of which completely dominates, and I'd argue that Cleveland + Akron + Canton + Youngstown is more powerful than Detroit or Minneapolis. Northeast Ohio is really unique in the midwest, where it's mostly single large cities surrounded by farmland or small towns. Northeast Ohio has 4 (5 if you include Lorain-Elyria) dominant core cities, surrounded by suburbs, with relatively small swaths of forests and farmland in between.
Detrioit MSA, MSP MSA, northeast Ohio

Population:
Detroit 4,296,611
MSP 3,495,176
NE Ohio 4,335,920

Core cities population
Detroit 680,250 139 sq mi
MSP 704,000 107 sq mi (they're contingious)
Cleveland 396,815 77.70 sq mi

GDP (Millions of dollars)
Detroit 224 billion
MSP 227 billion
NE Ohio 170 billion

Per Capita Income
Detroit 22,319
MSP 35,388
Cleveland-Akron 24,275
Youngstown 18,551

Median Household Income
Detroit 49,160
MSP 54,304
Cleveland-Akron 42,215
Youngstown 36,255

Fortune 500
Detroit 14
MSP 17
NE Ohio 9

Unemployment Rate
Detroit 6.6
MSP 3.8
Cleveland 6.4
Akron 5.0
Youngstown 5.9

GAWC Global Cities (based on connectivity)
Detroit Beta -
MSP Beta -
Cleveland Beta -

Tourism
Detroit 15.9 million
MSP 29.4 millionmillion
Cleveland 14.9 million

Study: Twin Cities Visitors And Tourism Spending Up In 2013

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour...olitan_Detroit

Tourism thriving in Northeast Ohio, bringing $6.7 billion into the area | cleveland.com

Airports(total passenger boardings)
Detroit 15,775,941
MSP 16,972,678
Cleveland 3,686,315
Akron 1,830,000

Universities:
Detroit:
U of Michigan Ann Arbor #29 US News National Universities

MSP:
U of Minnesota #70 US News National Universities
Macalester College #24 National Liberal Arts
Carleton (45 mins from Minny) #8 Nat Liberal Arts

NE Ohio:
Case Western Reserve University #38 National Universities
Kenyon College #30 National Liberal Arts Universities
Oberlin College #23 National Liberal Arts Universities

All have ranked regional schools

Growth (MSA population)
Detroit 0.01%
MSP 4.37%
Cleveland −0.66%
Akron 0.09%
Youngstown −2.21%

Growth (GDP) 2014-2008
Detroit: 224,726 218,227 208,600 199,528 187,124 203,304
MSP: 227,793 219,708 211,326 200,702 192,686 196,547
Cleveland. 122,878 120,393 114,364 109,654 105,035 109,728
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Old 08-17-2015, 11:41 PM
 
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Cleveland got my vote for reasons beyond the MSA (s) and CSAs. Which medical center drew patients enough internationally, given some different ways of doing things, to warrant building not only branches in FL and Scottsdale, but actually build abroad? Cleveland Clinic.

Mayo defined many things in the US for decades, but Cleveland Clinic went international, given all the countries their patients lived. That's thinking out of the box, imo.

https://www.clevelandclinicabudhabi....s/default.aspx

MSR
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