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Old 08-29-2015, 02:46 PM
 
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For those that say Houston lacks festivals which draw people to it
I'm fairly confident that no city in America lacks festivals, and that no one claimed differently for Houston.

 
Old 08-29-2015, 02:48 PM
Status: "waite untill next year. It was fun while it lasted !" (set 11 days ago)
 
Location: Beautiful Northwest Houston
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For those that say Houston lacks festivals which draw people to it I would counter that the Rodeo is a pretty big draw. If you have never been to the Houston Rodeo, you should come check it out.
The Galveston Mardi Gras is a pretty good draw as well....
 
Old 08-29-2015, 02:48 PM
 
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I didn't say leisure visitors, you made that up didn't you !?
Given that this entire thread is about leisure visitors, you are either posting to the wrong thread, or beyond clueless. No one has claimed that Houston lacks business travelers, airport visitors, people passing through on the freeway, or people visiting their Aunt Mary in Sugar Land.
 
Old 08-29-2015, 02:55 PM
Status: "waite untill next year. It was fun while it lasted !" (set 11 days ago)
 
Location: Beautiful Northwest Houston
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They don't visit Houston because there's nothing to draw them there.
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Given that this entire thread is about leisure visitors, you are either posting to the wrong thread, or beyond clueless. No one has claimed that Houston lacks business travelers, airport visitors, people passing through on the freeway, or people visiting their Aunt Mary in Sugar Land.
First off you are the one who wasn't specific as to what you meant, your exact words were in bold above. Secondly Houston Galveston, does get a good number of leisure visitors. So maybe I am not the one who needs to buy a clue !
 
Old 08-29-2015, 02:58 PM
 
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First off you are the one who wasn't specific as to what you meant, your exact words were in bold above. Secondly Houston Galveston, does get a good number of leisure visitors. So maybe I am not the one who needs to buy a clue !
Read the thread, understand the topic, then get back to us.

There is no city on earth that gets no visitors. That would not really be an interesting thread.
 
Old 08-29-2015, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Given that this entire thread is about leisure visitors, you are either posting to the wrong thread, or beyond clueless. No one has claimed that Houston lacks business travelers, airport visitors, people passing through on the freeway, or people visiting their Aunt Mary in Sugar Land.
I have an Aunt Mary in Sugar Land. I had no idea she was one of the biggest tourist draws in the entire region.
 
Old 08-29-2015, 04:06 PM
 
Location: A subtropical paradise
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So this is the issue, and the source of our disagreement. You don't know Houston, hence you don't get why tourists don't come to Houston.

Houston is exactly as you described it isn't. You wrote "leading to people falsely believing that the entirety of the city is nothing but "suburban, Walmart sprawl, with refineries all over the place," and is "Anytown, USA".

That's actually a fantastic description of Houston, and a good summary of why people don't come for leisure purposes. Houston is essentially entirely suburban, it is essentially entirely Walmart sprawl, and it does have refineries all over the place. You summarized it perfectly. It's a good place to work but will never be a leisure destination, because most Americans already live in boring sprawl, they aren't going to visit a city that is 99% boring sprawl for leisure purposes.

You can be right outside downtown, and you are already in endless generic suburban sprawl. Even downtown is built in a suburban format, to a major extent. The office towers are built suburban-style, even downtown, with lawns and parking platforms and no street level anything. Why would Americans travel to see the same office parks you can find anywhere?
Well, its clear you have yet to actually explore Houston, or acquire proper knowledge of the place. Anyone who thinks that the entirety of Houston was constructed in sprawl format, even in Downtown, just clearly has no proper experience with the place.

For one, the urban core of Houston, from downtown and beyond, into areas like Midtown/Monstrose, is designed in a mathematical grid format, well designed for a high-density urban environment. Downtown Houston does indeed have wide sidewalks as well, for pedestrian-friendliness. Because of the strong grid design, Houston's downtown parking lots/stripmalls can easily be converted to walkable, urban development.

Also, the design of Houston says nothing about its other amenities in and of themselves, including its culture, food, etc. Houston is the most ethnically diverse city in the country, with wide range of ethnic food options to go with it; cultural fusion dishes extend even to the suburban areas. Houston is one of five cities in the country with permanent residence companies in all performing arts disciplines. There is a strong, southern, Gulf Coast flair in the city that combines the with burgeoning latino population the city has seen through time, making for a relatively unique cultural combination in the US. These cultural traits exist even in the "bland suburbia" near the city. Houston isn't generic; a generic US city does not have a strong, Gulf Coast flair, very strong fine arts scene, etc like Houston does.

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No, actually they don't. Every single major city in the U.S. has sports arenas, science centers and historic monuments. Perfect illustration of why people don't visit. No one is going to be planning grand vacations around abandoned sports arenas or minor historical attractions or some 1960's space museum.
What's the point of going to San Francisco to see the Golden Gate Bridge, or Alcatraz, if every single city has a bridge, or a jail/prison.

Why go to NYC to see 5th Avenue, the Statue of Liberty, Yankee Stadium, the Empire State Building, and Time Square, when every single city has shopping areas, statues/monuments, sports arenas, tall buildings, and key intersections?

Many cities have beaches and warm weather, so why go to Miami?

There are many dense, walkable cities loaded with historic appeal, especially in the Northeast and Europe; why go to Philly?

Chicago has skyscrapers, large water bodies, busy, walkable corridors, diversity, diverse food options, museums, etc. But NYC has all that, but to a grander scale. So is Chicago just a poor man's NYC?
 
Old 08-29-2015, 04:57 PM
 
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Why is Houston often Overlooked as a Leader in Growth and Stability? Its Overall Economy is doing far better(by a large margin) than many other Economies. Is Houston the Model City that Most Cities need to follow?
Thirty something pages of responses not addressing the OP question. Must be a record.
 
Old 08-29-2015, 05:01 PM
 
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Mainly because no one downplays Houston's role economically. It's not very fun to talk economics because there are numbers and data that objectively prove these things for us..
 
Old 08-29-2015, 06:41 PM
 
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
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Well, its clear you have yet to actually explore Houston, or acquire proper knowledge of the place. Anyone who thinks that the entirety of Houston was constructed in sprawl format, even in Downtown, just clearly has no proper experience with the place.

For one, the urban core of Houston, from downtown and beyond, into areas like Midtown/Monstrose, is designed in a mathematical grid format, well designed for a high-density urban environment. Downtown Houston does indeed have wide sidewalks as well, for pedestrian-friendliness. Because of the strong grid design, Houston's downtown parking lots/stripmalls can easily be converted to walkable, urban development.

Also, the design of Houston says nothing about its other amenities in and of themselves, including its culture, food, etc. Houston is the most ethnically diverse city in the country, with wide range of ethnic food options to go with it; cultural fusion dishes extend even to the suburban areas. Houston is one of five cities in the country with permanent residence companies in all performing arts disciplines. There is a strong, southern, Gulf Coast flair in the city that combines the with burgeoning latino population the city has seen through time, making for a relatively unique cultural combination in the US. These cultural traits exist even in the "bland suburbia" near the city. Houston isn't generic; a generic US city does not have a strong, Gulf Coast flair, very strong fine arts scene, etc like Houston does.

What's the point of going to San Francisco to see the Golden Gate Bridge, or Alcatraz, if every single city has a bridge, or a jail/prison.

Why go to NYC to see 5th Avenue, the Statue of Liberty, Yankee Stadium, the Empire State Building, and Time Square, when every single city has shopping areas, statues/monuments, sports arenas, tall buildings, and key intersections?

Many cities have beaches and warm weather, so why go to Miami?

There are many dense, walkable cities loaded with historic appeal, especially in the Northeast and Europe; why go to Philly?

Chicago has skyscrapers, large water bodies, busy, walkable corridors, diversity, diverse food options, museums, etc. But NYC has all that, but to a grander scale. So is Chicago just a poor man's NYC?
Just had a good read with your post. I mean...... you TRY TO LESSEN All these other cities, to claim Houston is JUST AS AVERAGE OR ORDINARY AS THOSE YOU LISTED....? Or is it JUST AS GREAT...?

Thanks for noting Chicago's great attributes and a AS NYC Just lesser then. I can't argue with that... . I found your.... question? Is Chicago just a POOR MAN'S NYC.... Amusing and not really a negative..... Chicago does suffer gaining share of international Tourist. Because NYC is ALWAYS their first choice. Also on a second visit even? If they want to experience something much more different then NYC. But it has nothing to do with being a poor mans NYC... since Chicago isn't that much cheaper for tourist then NYC. Perhaps overall you can find better Hotel deals downtown... but it's museums ect. Are not. DC would be for museums. Because they are free there. Your taxes pay for them.

Chicago has no equivalent to Times Square or the Statue of Liberty.... sorry. But it does have North Michigan Ave shopping to compete at Fifth Ave.'s level and Wrigley Field for Yankee Stadium and Willis (Sears) Tower and John Hancock buildings with the 100 story skydeck views to the Empire State building. Though that building is iconic level.

I live in PA. I can get bus trips for a day in NYC. Day trips on your own to Theater shows. It was like $60 a few years ago.... That would be a poor mans trip to NYC. To pay for parking would be expensive and a hassle. There are probably such bus trips to Chicago from areas in the Midwest.

Miami or any place in Florida is a MAIN destination IN WINTER LOL. Even with Canadians. A interstate and other highway by me has Canadian plates seen traveling south and home, all year. But especially in winter and their beaches....

As for San Francisco. You can't lessen the Golden Gate... sorry Alcatraz is not a top SF destination anyway. SF gets high %s of international tourist nothing you say makes Houston's numbers any better LOL.
Chicago's Domestic numbers too at without International is still at 48 million. For 2014. A record 50.2 million overall for Chicago in visitors. To Houston's 14 million trying for 20 million in a couple years....

Chicago might get some Midwest visitors over going to NYC because its closer. Just like for me it is much closer to go to NYC then Chicago for me. Philly is about the same distance. But they really do not run Day trips to Philly. DC yes and you go through Philly on a bus to Atlantic City.

You can't boost for Houston. Trying to lessen other cities with the attractions numbers and Tourist numbers to them cities. As if it causes Houston's numbers to look higher or better. Sorry...

I think though.... you need to EXPLAIN WHAT A GULF COAST FLAIR IS????? Really if I was to SEE OR EXPERIENCE A GULF COAST FLAIR?? HOW WOULD IT BE DESCRIBED, IN the following for a Midwest Flair..... That's like saying Chicago has a Midwest flair/flavor/vibe? It adds no real attraction. Merely it means a bit more laid back less hectic.... REALLY NEITHER ADDS OR TAKES AWAY FROM WHAT IT HAS.

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