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Old 08-30-2015, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Originally Posted by RadicalAtheist View Post
Economic connectivity within a metro is not the same as visitor attractions outside of its anchor city wtf? Why is this even being discussed.
Are we going to talk cities or metros? How many NFL teams play in Washington DC now? Zero, if you can't count the metro. But not counting the Redskins who play in Landover, MD as an attraction for The Washington DC metro is a silly as not counting Galveston beaches as an attraction for the Houston metro. The two are highly connected.

To answer your question of why is it being discussed, the answer is simple, " Because it was brought up".

 
Old 08-30-2015, 02:34 PM
 
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I'm not saying you guys are wrong, I'm saying the comparison is completely unrelated to what was being discussed..
 
Old 08-30-2015, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Northwest Houston
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I'm not saying you guys are wrong, I'm saying the comparison is completely unrelated to what was being discussed..
It wasn't being discussed ? Somebody posted," nobody goes to Houston". then somebody replies something that includes Galveston , then somebody shoots back "Galveston is 50 miles away", and another says Houston shouldn't be able to "rely" on locations outside it's limits but still in the MSA. Then I say, "why not" ? Then you say its not on topic .

Is visitation and tourism relevant to whether or not Houston is overlooked? If not then the last 20 pages of this thread have been a waste of time and effort?

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Old 08-30-2015, 03:02 PM
 
Location: A subtropical paradise
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Because the Smithsonian is world-class and unparalleled on earth. Just because "every city has a museum" doesn't mean the Met or the Louvre are equivalent to the Kalamazoo Museum of Marbles.

Same goes for monuments and everything else. Just because every city has a monument doesn't meant that the Eiffel Tower is equivalent to the Walla Walla Independence Memorial, or whatever.
And in much the same way, just because every city has a science center doesn't mean that Houston's Johnson Space Center, the very place that guided NASA's space missions, is equivalent to some other science center in the US. Just because every city has sports arena's doesn't mean that Houston's Astrodome, the world's first multi-functional domed stadium, the "8th Wonder of the World," is like any other stadium. Just because every city has a historic monument doesn't mean that Houston's San Jacinto monument doesn't embody history in its own, distinctive way that can capture the appeal of many in yet another way different from other monuments.

Are you starting to see the logical fail you have committed now?

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Old 08-30-2015, 03:19 PM
 
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And in much the same way, just because every city has a science center doesn't mean that Houston's Johnson Space Center, the very place that guided NASA's space missions, is equivalent to some other science center in the US. Just because every city has sports arena's doesn't mean that Houston's Astrodome, the world's first multi-functional domed stadium, the "8th Wonder of the World," is like any other stadium. Just because every city has a historic monument doesn't mean that Houston's San Jacinto monument doesn't embody history in its own, distinctive way that can capture the appeal of many in yet another way different from other monuments.

Now do you see how weak your logic is?
There's a difference between quality of museums/venues/sites and uniqueness of museums/venues/sites. Now when it comes to museums that are more common in cities, like art museums, quality will be a big factor in terms of how much a draw they are. When it comes to museums and sites that are somewhat unique, they have to have broad appeal and be accessible to draw a lot of people, especially if they aren't located in a walkable, urban environment.

When it comes to the things you mentioned for Houston, it goes back to connectivity first and foremost. Location, location, location.
 
Old 08-30-2015, 03:30 PM
 
Location: A subtropical paradise
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There's a difference between quality of museums/venues/sites and uniqueness of museums/venues/sites. Now when it comes to museums that are more common in cities, like art museums, quality will be a big factor in terms of how much a draw they are. When it comes to museums and sites that are somewhat unique, they have to have broad appeal and be accessible to draw a lot of people, especially if they aren't located in a walkable, urban environment.

When it comes to the things you mentioned for Houston, it goes back to connectivity first and foremost. Location, location, location.
The point can be summed up into two equations:

Houston + good walkable infrastructure + strong civic pride = "fun to visit" Houston

Houston - good walkable infrastructure - strong civic pride = "boring" Houston
 
Old 08-30-2015, 03:34 PM
 
Location: LoS ScAnDaLoUs KiLLa CaLI
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I don't think Houston is all that overlooked in the real world - you know, outside City Data's hyperbolic statements.
 
Old 08-30-2015, 03:35 PM
 
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The point can be summed up into two equations:

Houston + good walkable infrastructure + strong civic pride = "fun to visit" Houston

Houston - good walkable infrastructure - strong civic pride = "boring" Houston
Yup. By and large, people aren't going to spend a lot of time zipping from one of those things to the other because by themselves, they aren't worth the effort. But get them all clustered together in an environment conducive for walking and pedestrian exploration, and things change big time. You've gotta create that synergy.
 
Old 08-30-2015, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Yup. By and large, people aren't going to spend a lot of time zipping from one of those things to the other because by themselves, they aren't worth the effort. But get them all clustered together in an environment conducive for walking and pedestrian exploration, and things change big time. You've gotta create that synergy.
I've said this plenty of times especially on the Houston forums in similar discussions. The lack of cohesiveness and the inadequate public transit system really hurts Houston IMO. Imagine if DC didn't have Metro. It would be a nightmare. Tourists and residents use Metro to get around the city to see museums, art galleries, historic structures, etc. and inner burbs like Arlington and the Arlington cemetery.
 
Old 08-30-2015, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Southeast TX
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I think this is some CD BS thread to try and downplay Houston (and Texas) as usual. IMHO its better than some of the cities its often compared too, even without public transportation....
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