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View Poll Results: Most prestigious
Los Angeles 114 44.36%
Chicago 39 15.18%
Washington, DC 44 17.12%
San Francisco 60 23.35%
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Old 11-04-2015, 11:17 AM
 
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Haha OR it exposes the fact that Los Angeles has a lot to work on.

Let's be frank, in person, for a first time visitor, Los Angeles is a letdown compared to the glorified Kardashian LA that is shown on TV.

Reddit Says LA is the Most Disappointing Place in the World - Tourism - Curbed LA

San Francisco has some of these problems too but still ranks among the world's most favored cities.

Every world city has an underbelly, but LA's seems to be front and center and that makes for a unpleasant surprise.
LA can be a terrible letdown as many of its better known tidbits are a bit of trek from each other and it's difficult to find or be involved in the more interesting things going on in the city. However, I think some impressions of Los Angeles might be of Los Angeles from the 90s to the mid to late 2000s which was basically Los Angeles at its worst.

Additionally, there are curmudgeons everywhere and for a system like reddit, the most likely places to get upvoted as the worst through raw numbers are also going to generally be the places that are the most frequented or best known tourist attractions which would be why many of the places getting top rung in the list are also some of the places most frequented in the world.

 
Old 11-04-2015, 11:17 AM
 
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the east coasters see the celebrity mansions in beverly hills as prestigious; eventhough, your polls mite be right about san fransisco being more prestigious (it was the fresh prince of bel-air/beverly hills, 90210/models inc./melrose place/... not the fresh prince of san-fransisco/...)
East Coasters?
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Top 3 Alumni Concentrations of Top Universities


The most obvious takeaway is that LA is underrepresented on each of the above tables. As the nation’s second largest city, with more than 5 percent of the nation’s population in its greater metropolitan area (18 million people) and as a highly desirable place to live, one would expect better representation among alumni of these top universities. LA ranks first as the destination for alumni of only one of the 16 “top universities” listed above: CalTech, which is which is located in its backyard.

The city attracts a disproportionate amount of talent, relative to the rest of the nation from Northern California stalwarts Berkeley and Stanford (barely), at 10 percent and 6 percent respectively, and is proportionately represented for Harvard and Yale at 5 percent. But notably, LA doesn’t rank in the Top 3 destination cities for alumni of any non-California school. By contrast, SF and NYC respectively rank in the Top 3 for all but four and three of the 16 universities listed.
https://pando.com/2013/07/04/inside-...ent-conundrum/

SF is clearly the first West Coast choice of East Coasters who attended the most prestgious schools. I guess they werent swayed by fake tv shows:-(
 
Old 11-04-2015, 11:20 AM
 
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Haha OR it exposes the fact that Los Angeles has a lot to work on.

Let's be frank, in person, for a first time visitor, Los Angeles is a letdown compared to the glorified Kardashian LA that is shown on TV.

Reddit Says LA is the Most Disappointing Place in the World - Tourism - Curbed LA

San Francisco has some of these problems too but still ranks among the world's most favored cities.

Every world city has an underbelly, but LA's seems to be front and center and that makes for a unpleasant surprise.
It's because LA is a pretty crappy place for tourist. It contributes to the "vapid" nature people complain about. People go to Beverly Hills just to gawk at rich people and window shop. People go to Hollywood to see "stars", but there is one Studio Lot in Hollywood (paramount pictures) which is not actually in Hollywood,that has a fortified wall going around it.Hollywood also doesn't have any museums of worth and people go to take a picture next to a star of their favorite celeb. People go on celebrity house tours to look at homes that are also surrounded by gates--because what celebrity actually wants people looking into their homes. One of LA's biggest tourist attractions is the Grove/Farmers market which is basically a glorified mall. Our other biggest attractions that tourist gravitate towards are Universal Studios and Disneyland...Literally created to create fantasy.Not to mention they have to drive around the westside in traffic. Most locals avoid all these places so what you get are tourist who hang around other tourist accusing everybody being fake.

Then ask somebody about LA culture....

It doesn't matter all the other things there are to do in LA. How can somebody see what the city has to offer if they are inundated with fantasy.
 
Old 11-04-2015, 11:21 AM
 
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East Coasters?


https://pando.com/2013/07/04/inside-...ent-conundrum/

SF is clearly the first West Coast choice of East Coasters who attended the most prestgious schools. I guess they werent swayed by fake tv shows:-(
How do top arts, media, and filmmaking schools rank though? Doesn't it make sense that the most notable industries for a city would attract alumni from programs that train for those industries? I think it's fairly unlikely there are going to be a particularly huge concentration of students of computer science majors, economics majors, political science majors, etc. coming to Los Angeles.
 
Old 11-04-2015, 11:37 AM
 
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How do top arts, media, and filmmaking schools rank though? Doesn't it make sense that the most notable industries for a city would attract alumni from programs that train for those industries? I think it's fairly unlikely there are going to be a particularly huge concentration of students of computer science majors, economics majors, political science majors, etc. coming to Los Angeles.
And that's part of another major problem Los Angeles has to address or else it will continue to bleed talent and skilled workers to other parts of the country.

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What happened to Southern California?

Put simply, Los Angeles' business class, its movers and shakers, were too conservative, too backward looking in their goals and their style to recognize and nurture what would become the new economy. To the world at large, Southern California seems like the least stodgy of metropolitan areas. But when it came to what counts now — a highly interconnected "ecosystem" of entrepreneurs and investors, technologists and innovators — Los Angeles stumbled.
Why San Francisco's way of doing business beat Los Angeles' - LA Times
 
Old 11-04-2015, 11:53 AM
 
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And that's part of another major problem Los Angeles has to address or else it will continue to bleed talent and skilled workers to other parts of the country.



Why San Francisco's way of doing business beat Los Angeles' - LA Times
Yea, I understand what you're saying. However, that's different from the point I'm making It's odd to think about talent and skilled in such strict confines. Los Angeles has the second best art scene in the nation which also makes it among the best in the world. It has some of the world's best filmmakers. It has a fairly great and large music industry. What's the talent and skill you're pinpointing here with those schools-not really those industries. No CalArts, the Art Institute of Chicago, or RISD and for other prestigious schools, it'd only be specific departments which would be a pretty small minority among the alumnus of whichever respective institution.

This isn't to say that Los Angeles is doing great. It used to also have a fantastically large engineering base that has gone down substantially since the defense industry has moved much of itself to the DC area to be closer to those sweet government contracts--just pointing out that each city has its own strengths.

Also, that op-ed is missing something there--Los Angeles was also a much larger receiver of poorer immigrants from Mexico and Central America than San Francisco and any other city. This large supply of labor that is cheap relative to the rest of the US populace helps drive down the wages for certain kinds of work and makes the per capita numbers overall substantially lower. Basically, it's not like being a college-educated person with an advanced degree equates to depressed wages for that person in particular in Los Angeles.
 
Old 11-04-2015, 11:54 AM
 
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There are far more East Coast grads in LA than in SF. Speaking very generally, LA tends to have closer ties to NYC and DC. When someone is bicoastal, they're almost always talking about NYC and LA.
 
Old 11-04-2015, 12:11 PM
 
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LA can be a terrible letdown as many of its better known tidbits are a bit of trek from each other and it's difficult to find or be involved in the more interesting things going on in the city. However, I think some impressions of Los Angeles might be of Los Angeles from the 90s to the mid to late 2000s which was basically Los Angeles at its worst.

Additionally, there are curmudgeons everywhere and for a system like reddit, the most likely places to get upvoted as the worst through raw numbers are also going to generally be the places that are the most frequented or best known tourist attractions which would be why many of the places getting top rung in the list are also some of the places most frequented in the world.
90's? I doubt very many of them are. I definitely think the average reddit user is younger than that. That survey was conducted December last year from what it looks like.

Definitely agree with the 2nd part of the post though.

The problem is the same in 2015 however. When people go there expecting their stereotyped view of Hollywood, but don't get that when actually there, they will always be left disappointed.

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Old 11-04-2015, 12:30 PM
 
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There are far more East Coast grads in LA than in SF.
Perhaps, but definitely not in the case of the Ivy League.

San Francisco has more Ivy League grads than Los Angeles by a very, very wide margin, and the ties between SF and the aivy League is rooted in The City's finance and banking history and now has widened to tech.

In fact, Harvard Business School's first satellite campus is it's California Research Center, which is located in Menlo Park.
https://entrepreneurship.hbs.edu/abo...s/default.aspx

Wharton also has a campus in the Heart of The City.
Wharton San Francisco

These are just stunning examples of two of the most prestigious and highly regarded institutions of higher learning in the East Coast foraying Westward into the Bay Area and NOT to the 18Million+ behemoth megacity to the South.

This is yet another example of Bay Area domination of LA.
 
Old 11-04-2015, 12:43 PM
 
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90's? I doubt very many of them are. I definitely think the average reddit user is younger than that. That survey was conducted December last year from what it looks like.

Definitely agree with the 2nd part of the post though.

The problem is the same in 2015 however. When people go there expecting their stereotyped view of Hollywood, but don't get that when actually there, they will always be left disappointed.
90s through to mid to late 2000s was what I wrote. Though yea, it gets progressively better the further out from the 90s you go.

That survey (reddit thread) being conducted last year doesn't mean the impressions were made that year.

Hollywood would be disappointing for most, but Los Angeles does have more of a center these days and there are a lot more ways to get around and easy access to guides and apps that let you know where to go to. Before, it was more common to just wander in pretty blind except for an idea of a few general locations/sights and not realize what their distance was and taking forever to get there.
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