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Old 08-27-2015, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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lol. I lived in the Midwest and Florida. There is nothing remotely similar in feel, architecture, attitudes, etc. in Florida that is Midwestern. Just because a bunch of Midwestern people moved to Florida doesn't make it Midwestern. Orlando Midwestern? My sides are hurting.
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Old 08-27-2015, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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It's almost as bad as the guy on here who was once claiming that LA was part of the South.
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Old 08-28-2015, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Greater Houston
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Here is how I, personally, would categorize the Southern Metro's in no order within their groups:

The Big Four - the international metro areas of the South, they transcend simply being Southern, they are Global

Miami
Houston
Dallas
Atlanta
Miami is like San Antonio if it had Austin's PR department. Not much business (mostly tourism) and it's usually the Latin American/Caribbean division offices or businesses that cater to Hispanophones. They're freaking out about Staples buying Office Depot/OfficeMax and moving the jobs to Boston!

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El Paso is also like 30 miles closer to San Diego than it is to Houston, the latter being a major city in its own state.
So El Paso is the same distance to Katy (Houston suburb 30 mi W, where I live) as it is to San Diego? Interesting. Go to the beach in La Jolla or visit family in West Houston? Such choices!
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Old 08-28-2015, 11:09 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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Here is how I, personally, would categorize the Southern Metro's in no order within their groups:

The Big Four - the international metro areas of the South, they transcend simply being Southern, they are Global

Miami
Houston
Dallas
Atlanta
New Orleans actually blows Miami, Dallas, and Atlanta away in terms of global trade. Louisiana is second only to Texas in terms of dollars exchanged through Free Trade Zone (FTZ) use, blowing #3 California out of the water in the statistic. The port system between New Orleans and Baton Rouge is considered to be one of the most important FTZ regions in the world. 37 states use the Port of New Orleans as their #1 shipping channel to send out or receive goods. There's a reason that twice as much federal money went to the region after Katrina than what was passed out during Sandy. There's a reason that the Port of New Orleans was cleared to open only 1 week after landfall. Foreign aid sent to the area was so massive that a lot of it went unused. Some economists have even documented the run up of oil prices related to Katrina had more to do with the severity of the great recession than Wall Street did, as inflation was a problem for years after landfall.

The natural gas find is a major factor in the nations manufacturing boom we are experiencing, and Texas / LA are at the forefront of that find. Natural gas has Asia building multi billion dollar plants across the state - many in the NOLA - BR area. Software development companies in Europe are focusing on the regions creative talent as a reason to locate here. All we need to do is find a way to cut the persistent poverty, which could be realized when the 20% rise in HS graduation rates finally reaches enough of the chronically impoverished families. We are attracting various non-stop international flights - landing one recently to Panama, with British Airways suggesting today that we could expect one from London sooner rather than later (San Jose was the selection for today). Also, a lifted embargo with Cuba could fix a lot of wrongs that the feds have caused this city, partially responsible for our decline starting in the 60's.

A lot of people underestimate or forget about just how "international" this city is.
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Old 08-29-2015, 05:07 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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You know, I was just thinking about how we needed more NOLA boosters.
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Old 08-29-2015, 05:57 AM
 
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New Orleans actually blows Miami, Dallas, and Atlanta away in terms of global trade. Louisiana is second only to Texas in terms of dollars exchanged through Free Trade Zone (FTZ) use, blowing #3 California out of the water in the statistic. The port system between New Orleans and Baton Rouge is considered to be one of the most important FTZ regions in the world. 37 states use the Port of New Orleans as their #1 shipping channel to send out or receive goods. There's a reason that twice as much federal money went to the region after Katrina than what was passed out during Sandy. There's a reason that the Port of New Orleans was cleared to open only 1 week after landfall. Foreign aid sent to the area was so massive that a lot of it went unused. Some economists have even documented the run up of oil prices related to Katrina had more to do with the severity of the great recession than Wall Street did, as inflation was a problem for years after landfall.

The natural gas find is a major factor in the nations manufacturing boom we are experiencing, and Texas / LA are at the forefront of that find. Natural gas has Asia building multi billion dollar plants across the state - many in the NOLA - BR area. Software development companies in Europe are focusing on the regions creative talent as a reason to locate here. All we need to do is find a way to cut the persistent poverty, which could be realized when the 20% rise in HS graduation rates finally reaches enough of the chronically impoverished families. We are attracting various non-stop international flights - landing one recently to Panama, with British Airways suggesting today that we could expect one from London sooner rather than later (San Jose was the selection for today). Also, a lifted embargo with Cuba could fix a lot of wrongs that the feds have caused this city, partially responsible for our decline starting in the 60's.

A lot of people underestimate or forget about just how "international" this city is.
Well I don't think global trade was specifically being referenced and of course cities with large, major ports have an advantage there, but in terms of overall economic influence on an international level as well as being destinations for international visitors and immigrants, NOLA isn't among the Big Four in the South.
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Old 08-29-2015, 06:56 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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Well I don't think global trade was specifically being referenced and of course cities with large, major ports have an advantage there, but in terms of overall economic influence on an international level as well as being destinations for international visitors and immigrants, NOLA isn't among the Big Four in the South.
How do you figure? It's one of the biggest leisure travel destinations in the world. Also, convention tourism is growing rapidly and we host many major national and international events at one of the nations most renowned convention center. It's been selected to host the IPW in 2016 (largest international trade show in the world). The city also produces more international exports than Atlanta does. In 2013, New Orleans was the 8th largest export market in the US ($5B to China alone), and Louisiana is in the early stages of a massive export boom (#1 in export growth in the past 5 years). These statistics reflect the exports that come directly out of the region, not goods produced that are just passing through.

Not many cities could cripple the nations economy by itself if it decided to leave the union. Not many cities could could continually be rebuilt with federal and international help over a dozen times knowing it's basically a death trap to live in. Not many cities / regions would be able to pull $120 billion from the federal government for disaster relief (the NYC area had trouble getting half that). If this town / Louisiana withdrew from the US, nations around the globe would be running over each other to try to gain control of us and 37 states would be screwed in the deal. I'd call that very real national / international influence.

Not a whole lot of people live here, so it's easy underestimate the importance of this city to the US and to the world. Size of a metro area only reflect how many people want to live there for various reasons.
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Old 08-29-2015, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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How do you figure? It's one of the biggest leisure travel destinations in the world. Also, convention tourism is growing rapidly and we host many major national and international events at one of the nations most renowned convention center. It's been selected to host the IPW in 2016 (largest international trade show in the world). The city also produces more international exports than Atlanta does. In 2013, New Orleans was the 8th largest export market in the US ($5B to China alone), and Louisiana is in the early stages of a massive export boom (#1 in export growth in the past 5 years). These statistics reflect the exports that come directly out of the region, not goods produced that are just passing through.

Not many cities could cripple the nations economy by itself if it decided to leave the union. Not many cities could could continually be rebuilt with federal and international help over a dozen times knowing it's basically a death trap to live in. Not many cities / regions would be able to pull $120 billion from the federal government for disaster relief (the NYC area had trouble getting half that). If this town / Louisiana withdrew from the US, nations around the globe would be running over each other to try to gain control of us and 37 states would be screwed in the deal. I'd call that very real national / international influence.

Not a whole lot of people live here, so it's easy underestimate the importance of this city to the US and to the world. Size of a metro area only reflect how many people want to live there for various reasons.
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Old 08-29-2015, 08:20 AM
 
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How do you figure? It's one of the biggest leisure travel destinations in the world. Also, convention tourism is growing rapidly and we host many major national and international events at one of the nations most renowned convention center. It's been selected to host the IPW in 2016 (largest international trade show in the world).
20 Most Popular U.S. Cities Among International Travelers in 2013 – Skift

No New Orleans. It's a fantastic city and a national treasure but it simply doesn't attract more international visitors than the Big Four. And it's easy enough to see that Houston, Dallas, Miami, and Atlanta attract a lot more international migrants.

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The city also produces more international exports than Atlanta does. In 2013, New Orleans was the 8th largest export market in the US ($5B to China alone), and Louisiana is in the early stages of a massive export boom (#1 in export growth in the past 5 years). These statistics reflect the exports that come directly out of the region, not goods produced that are just passing through.

Not many cities could cripple the nations economy by itself if it decided to leave the union. Not many cities could could continually be rebuilt with federal and international help over a dozen times knowing it's basically a death trap to live in. Not many cities / regions would be able to pull $120 billion from the federal government for disaster relief (the NYC area had trouble getting half that). If this town / Louisiana withdrew from the US, nations around the globe would be running over each other to try to gain control of us and 37 states would be screwed in the deal. I'd call that very real national / international influence.

Not a whole lot of people live here, so it's easy underestimate the importance of this city to the US and to the world. Size of a metro area only reflect how many people want to live there for various reasons.
NOLA has a big seaport, so it's to be expected that it will rank high in terms of exports and such. It's also an important energy center. However, NOLA simply isn't a global city in terms of commerce, presence of multinational corporate headquarters, etc. on the level of the South's Big Four.

Cities/metropolitan areas are first and foremost centers of commerce, so population size is a direct reflection of that. And we could look at other metrics, like metropolitan GDP, which demonstrate that NOLA isn't on the level of Houston, Dallas, Miami, and Atlanta.
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Old 08-29-2015, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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How do you figure? It's one of the biggest leisure travel destinations in the world. Also, convention tourism is growing rapidly and we host many major national and international events at one of the nations most renowned convention center. It's been selected to host the IPW in 2016 (largest international trade show in the world). The city also produces more international exports than Atlanta does. In 2013, New Orleans was the 8th largest export market in the US ($5B to China alone), and Louisiana is in the early stages of a massive export boom (#1 in export growth in the past 5 years). These statistics reflect the exports that come directly out of the region, not goods produced that are just passing through.

Not many cities could cripple the nations economy by itself if it decided to leave the union. Not many cities could could continually be rebuilt with federal and international help over a dozen times knowing it's basically a death trap to live in. Not many cities / regions would be able to pull $120 billion from the federal government for disaster relief (the NYC area had trouble getting half that). If this town / Louisiana withdrew from the US, nations around the globe would be running over each other to try to gain control of us and 37 states would be screwed in the deal. I'd call that very real national / international influence.

Not a whole lot of people live here, so it's easy underestimate the importance of this city to the US and to the world. Size of a metro area only reflect how many people want to live there for various reasons.
All of those things except for cultural/historical aspects would be absorbed by other port cities such as Jacksonville, Savannah, Miami ect. Houston would absorb the rest just as it saved New Orleans during Katrina. Conventions, trade, international events would continue to go to Houston if the same thing happened today. As far as secession, that won't be happening under our Constitution.
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