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Old 01-05-2016, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Pittsburgh publications just have some weird obsession with trying to prove that Pittsburgh is better than Philadelphia.
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Old 01-05-2016, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Allegheny County
675,000 total jobs in March 2015
Growing at 0.1%

Philadelphia County
646,000 total jobs in March 2015
Growing at 1.6%

Montgomery County
468,000 total jobs in March 2015
Growing at 0.8%

Therefore, Philadelphia County is growing significantly faster than Allegheny County in job growth. In fact, as I already posted, Philadelphia's job total increased to 691,000 in November 2015. With Allegheny County growing relatively slowly in jobs, it's possible Philadelphia has already surpassed Allegheny County in total jobs.

However, comparing Allegheny County to Philadelphia/Montgomery County:

Allegheny County
745 square miles
675,000 total jobs
906 jobs per square mile

Philadelphia/Montgomery County
630 square miles
1,114,000 total jobs
1,768 jobs per square mile

County Employment and Wages in Pennsylvania ? First Quarter 2015 : Mid?Atlantic Information Office : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

It's really all a matter of semantics. It's all a matter of how you analyze and use the states. If you're comparing Pittsburgh City limits to Philadelphia County/City Limits, then fine. But comparing Allegheny County to Philadelphia County/City Limits is entirely unfair. You would have to combine Philadelphia/Montgomery County to come up with the same set up as Allegheny County.
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Old 01-05-2016, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Fortune 500 Companies 2015

Philadelphia (PA side of Metro only)
7 total - AmerisourceBergen, Comcast, Aramark, Lincoln National, Crown Holdings, Universal Health Services, UGI

Pittsburgh
6 total - US Steel, PNC, HJ Heinz, PPG, WESCO International, Dick's Sporting Goods

Fortune 500 - Fortune

By the way, Pittsburgh lost a Fortune 500 last year since Heinz was acquired by Kraft, which would knock Pittsburgh's Fortune 500 total down to 5.
Kraft Heinz cuts 2,500 jobs - Aug. 12, 2015


Fortune 1000 Companies 2015

Philadelphia (PA side of Metro only)
23 total

Pittsburgh
13 total

Fortune 1000 Companies List for 2015 - Geolounge


PrivCo 250 2015 - largest Private US Companies

Philadelphia (PA side of Metro only)
8 total

Pittsburgh
2 total

America's Largest Private Companies: Complete List


Inc. 5000 2015 - Fastest Growing US Companies

Philadelphia (PA side of Metro only)
128 total

Pittsburgh
36 total

Inc. 5000 2015: The Full List | Inc.com
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Old 01-06-2016, 12:37 AM
 
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Pittsburgh seems to be more alligned with Midwestern culture as well - a hardly anecdotal piece of evidence being that they refer to soda as "pop" (after living for years in the Midwest, moving back East, and returning recently for a trip to Iowa this was just as confusing as the first time around).
Yes,

This can be stated similar between NYC vs Buffalo b/c Buffalo is align with the Midwest Culture to refer soda as "pop" too.
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Old 01-06-2016, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Northeast Suburbs of PITTSBURGH
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Fortune 500 Companies 2015

Philadelphia (PA side of Metro only)
7 total - AmerisourceBergen, Comcast, Aramark, Lincoln National, Crown Holdings, Universal Health Services, UGI

Pittsburgh
6 total - US Steel, PNC, HJ Heinz, PPG, WESCO International, Dick's Sporting Goods

Fortune 500 - Fortune

By the way, Pittsburgh lost a Fortune 500 last year since Heinz was acquired by Kraft, which would knock Pittsburgh's Fortune 500 total down to 5.
Kraft Heinz cuts 2,500 jobs - Aug. 12, 2015


Fortune 1000 Companies 2015

Philadelphia (PA side of Metro only)
23 total

Pittsburgh
13 total

Fortune 1000 Companies List for 2015 - Geolounge


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This pissing match is sad honestly. Also, this is a city comparison not metro.

From your link:

Fortune 500:

Philadelphia 3

Suburban Philadelphia 4
Pittsburgh 5
Suburban pittsburgh 1

Philadelphia total 7
Pittsburgh total 6



Fortune 1000:

Pittsburgh 9

Suburban Pittsburgh 3
Philadelphia 7

PA Philadelphia suburbs 13
NJ Philadelphia suburbs 3
DE Philadelphia suburbs 2

Philadelphia total 25
Pittsburgh total 12

http://www.geolounge.com/fortune-100...list-for-2015/

Black Beauty isn't arguing Pittsburgh is larger and has more F500 or F1000 companies than Philadelphia, she's saying the city retained them far better than Philadelphia did. And that's clearly proven there.
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Also, this is a city comparison not metro.
How convenient, and yet Blackbeauty was the one trotting out Allegheny County stats/articles to begin with.
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Northeast Suburbs of PITTSBURGH
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How convenient, and yet Blackbeauty was the one trotting out Allegheny County stats/articles to begin with.
What do you want me to say? Sorry for anothers words?

Point is they are both great cities, some aspects are better in one than another and vice versa. Pulling news articles and Forbes crap doesn't make or prove one better than the other.

I specifically cited city stats and showed Pittsburgh has more F500 and F1000 companies within city limits, proving BBs point, where Philadelphia has more in the suburbs proving ROW/summers point.
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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What do you want me to say? Sorry for anothers words?

Point is they are both great cities, some aspects are better in one than another and vice versa. Pulling news articles and Forbes crap doesn't make or prove one better than the other.

I specifically cited city stats and showed Pittsburgh has more F500 and F1000 companies within city limits, proving BBs point, where Philadelphia has more in the suburbs proving ROW/summers point.
I was agreeing with Blackbeauty actually if you go back and read my posts. I said that yes Philadelphia needs to do a better job of bringing these companies back within cities limits. Even so though, Philadelphia does have significantly more jobs within city limits. The city of Philadelphia may have actually surpassed the entirety of Allegheny County in total jobs in 2015. That was my whole point. Yes, the city needs to do a better job at attracting the large companies in the burbs, but the city is still growing in jobs.

I also agreed with her about poverty and crime in Philadelphia but said that poverty rates, crime rates, and unemployment rates are all now nearly identical in both Pitt and Philly.

I think the two cities could learn from one another. Philadelphia could learn from Pittsburgh how to attract these major corporations back into city limits and Pittsburgh could learn from Philadelphia how to create amenities and attract restaurants, retailers, etc that will attract people to move into the city form the burbs.
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Old 01-06-2016, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Was wondering what kept you Rainrock, all your other PBS Members got here hours ago.... Gotta keep up, sir, you're slacking... Is KidPhilly still on patrol?

Love the spin, btw, wouldn't expect anything less from you.
PBS is not even yours to use-I think another poster started that back when all the trolls (or maybe just one in San Jose) were creating all those fake Philly threads.

Have you anything negative to say on Pittsburgh, ever? I've never seen it-seems like you are the booster, and you Loooove arguing with Philly posters lol.
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Old 01-06-2016, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Originally Posted by speagles84 View Post
This pissing match is sad honestly. Also, this is a city comparison not metro.

From your link:

Fortune 500:

Philadelphia 3

Suburban Philadelphia 4
Pittsburgh 5
Suburban pittsburgh 1

Philadelphia total 7
Pittsburgh total 6



Fortune 1000:

Pittsburgh 9

Suburban Pittsburgh 3
Philadelphia 7

PA Philadelphia suburbs 13
NJ Philadelphia suburbs 3
DE Philadelphia suburbs 2

Philadelphia total 25
Pittsburgh total 12

Fortune 1000 Companies List for 2015 - Geolounge

Black Beauty isn't arguing Pittsburgh is larger and has more F500 or F1000 companies than Philadelphia, she's saying the city retained them far better than Philadelphia did. And that's clearly proven there.
Now that I have time to actually address this. Yes, I agree that Philadelphia could DEFINITELY do a better job of attracting these large corporations into the city limits. Here are the breakdowns for what they should look like for 2016:

Fortune 500

Philadelphia MSA
Philadelphia - 3
PA Suburbs - 4
New Jersey - 1
Delaware - 2
Metro total - 10

Pittsburgh MSA
Pittsburgh - 4*
Pitt Suburbs - 1
Metro total - 5

*Remember, Heinz was acquired by Kraft, and the headquarters will now be in Illinois, which means Pittsburgh will lose a Fortune 500.

Fortune 1000 Companies List for 2015 - Geolounge


Fortune 1000

Philadelphia MSA
Philadelphia - 7
PA Suburbs - 16
New Jersey - 3
Delaware - 2
Metro total - 28

Pittsburgh MSA
Pittsburgh - 8
Pitt Suburbs - 4
Metro total - 12

Fortune 1000 Companies List for 2015 - Geolounge

Keep in mind though, that it is possible that Philadelphia loses a Fortune 1000 as Pep Boys may be acquired, and the Metro may lose the headquarters of a Fortune 500 as DuPont may be acquired by Dow.

All in all though, I agree that Philadelphia CERTAINLY needs to draw in some of these massive Fortune 500 and 1000 companies into city limits.

PrivCo 250 - Largest Private Employers

Philadelphia MSA
Philadelphia - 2
PA Suburbs - 6
New Jersey - 1
Delaware - 1
Metro total - 10

Pittsburgh MSA
Pittsburgh - 1
Pitt Suburbs - 0
Metro total - 1

America's Largest Private Companies: Complete List

When combining Fortune 500/1000 and PrivCo 250
Philadelphia - 9
Philly Suburbs - 29
Pittsburgh - 9
Pitt Suburbs - 4

^^^So yes, it's quite obvious that city council needs to do a better job to cut business taxes and make the city more of a business friendly environment to not only entice companies to relocate from the burbs or at least open satellite offices in the city, but also to attract other large companies from other areas.
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